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Another book and 1 review

Ye shall be as Gods - Erich Fromm
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00BBPWBCS?tag=ebbdaily-20


Erich Fromm (1900-1980)wrote a facinating study of the Hebrew Bible or Old Testament. His book YOU SHALL BE AS GODS is an interesting view of Old Testament literature. Fromm focused on the concepts and convictions of the Old Testament as opposed to formality and fixation on traditions. Fromm's book was an attempt to integrate such ideas as compassion, kindness, mercy, etc. with traditions to make the Old Testament literature a call to action rather than comfortable apathy. Fromm cited interesting quotes from the Rabbincal Midrash and Talmud.

The beginning sections of the book provided an interesting study of interpretations of God. Fromm argued that God changed from an unrestrained tyrant to a constitutional monarch Who was bound by His own convenents and rules. For example, even God repented re the Flood Story when He repented via Genesis 9:11. When Abraham confronted God re Genesis 18, Abraham bluntly asked God if God would act unjustly by condemning the innocent with the guilty. Fromm cited Moses' attempt to undermine God's wrath. An interesting interpretation of these confrontations is intimacy with the Supreme Being. Closeness to God and His "laws" is a thoughtful analysis.

Yet, Fromm was clear that closeness to God was NOT an attempt to define God. The phrase in Exodus 3:14 that, "I AM WHO I AM" was attempt to deter idol worship. Fromm noted that idols are dead while God and people are creative and active. Men and woman should act and should act according to God's commands and rules. Basically, as Fromm knew, the Ancient Hebrews had different views of God. God could be tied to the land and race of the Hebrews. Or God could be universal as suggested in the narrative re Noah when God made a convenent with the human race. The Hebrew Prophet Habakkuk was probably the first to separate the concept of God from the land and race. Supposedly King David's father was Hebrew, but his mother was a Moabite woman.

Not only did Fromm write about the concept of God, Fromm wrote about the concept of man (men and women). Fromm cited the Creation Story in that everything God created was good except man. God created men and women in His Image, and Fromm interpreted this view that people had to the capacity for good or evil. The goal was for people to live according to the Image of God, but people had freedom to make a choice. God's call that people should be a "Holy Nation" meant that men and women should be better than their current status.

Are men and women predestined? According to Fromm the answer was "No." As Fromm noted, a difference exists between predictions and predestination. In other words, careless behavior and evil acts will eventually result in terrible consequences. Since people are free to make decions, their acts have consequences-good or evil. Much of The Decalogue dealt with social relationships such as murder, theft, adultry, etc. Fromm alerted readers that some of the Old Testament "heroes" had serious character flaws. Noah was confused. Cain was irresponsible. Abraham was a coward when he let the men of Sodom and Gomorrah violate his wife and daughters. King David committed unforgiveable crimes. In other words, men and women can overcome their evil inclinations if willing to recognize their weaknesses and their potential to be better people.

One of the last sections of the book dealt with the Psalms. Fromm catagorized the Psalms into four types of poetry. He explained a one mood Psalm as one where the mood did not change. The first Psalm is one of self righteousness. The 23rd. Psalm is one of contentment. The 137th. Psalm is one of bitter hatred. From described a dynamic Psalm as one with a sudden mood change such as the sixth and eighth Psalms. A messianic Psalm is one that is optimistic about the future such as the 90th Psalm. A hymnic Psalm is one of praise such as the 150th Psalm.

The Epilogue of the book dealt with the 22nd. Psalm and Christ's Passion. From argued that he found the usual interpretation unsatisfactory. Yet, as G.K. Chesterton (1874-1936)noted, Christ's depair was as radical statement as could be, and God was complaining to God. This is obviously a matter of interpretation, and this writer will leave the theologians to debate the issue.

Fromm's book is a good book especially for those readers who are not familiar with the Hebrew Bible or Old Testament. Fromm provided what may be a radical assessment of the Old Testament, but such assessments can force people to carefully read and think which was Fromm's intention.

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Ye shall be as Gods - Erich Fromm
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00BBPWBCS?tag=ebbdaily-20


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An interesting read here,

https://www.rawstory.com/2017/...an-party-not-a-flaw/


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Ye shall be as Gods - Erich Fromm
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00BBPWBCS?tag=ebbdaily-20

... Fromm cited the Creation Story in that everything God created was good except man. God created men and women in His Image, and Fromm interpreted this view that people had to the capacity for good or evil.


One has to wonder if authors such as Fromm do not see, or choose to ignore, the obvious question here.

Happens all the time; we were wondering why no one asks why an incorporeal entity needs a throne?

Nor have we seen any Jew or Christian ask why, if Fromm is correct, God denied us eternal life (just why WAS Adam expelled from Eden?) and, when we were making intellectual progress, working together in perfect harmony, God chose to stop us in our tracks.


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One has to wonder if authors such as Fromm do not see, or choose to ignore, the obvious question here.

Happens all the time; we were wondering why no one asks why an incorporeal entity needs a throne?

Nor have we seen any Jew or Christian ask why, if Fromm is correct, God denied us eternal life (just why WAS Adam expelled from Eden?) and, when we were making intellectual progress, working together in perfect harmony, God chose to stop us in our tracks.


As Wikipedia's Throne of God article mentions, Christians tend to take the throne as a symbol/allegory. That said, I do think the "burning" angels around a throne (from the other thread) in the Ezekiel "vision" was a literal comet fragment plasma effect sighting. Comet fragments were real and channeling is real but the two aren't really as directly morphed as the stories might suggest.

As for Adam and Eve (themselves symbolic of course); a modern channeling view used the Wizard of Oz as an analogy for what happened. Essentially there was a golden age environment that had become not very hospitable and there was some thinking about going away for something better/more exciting and after some natural cataclysmic event, we are all learning about the guy behind the curtain and there being no place like home. Supposedly the Wizard of Oz itself was channeling inspired (some channel without knowing it).
 
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An interesting read here,

https://www.rawstory.com/2017/...an-party-not-a-flaw/


Way back in 1985, Bob Peck starred in a brilliant BBC series, The Edge of Darkness. Well worth watching even now, if you can find the original BBC series.

Underlying the main plot of the shenanigans going on between Thatcher and Reagan, was the theme we are deliberately destroying our planet, and Mother Earth had just about had enough. The final scene as I remember it was high in the snow-covered Scottish Highlands, where a black flower was growing in the snow.

Now get this:

http://www.planetexperts.com/g...lack-thats-bad-news/
Greenland Ice Is Turning Black, and That’s Not the Bad News By: Planet Editor: It isn’t just happening in Greenland. It’s happening in the Himalayas, in western North America, in the Arctic circle. For the past few decades, glaciers and ice sheets in these locations are turning black, darkening from soot and other pollutants. Sure, it’s an aesthetic problem, but black ice leads to a much larger and more dangerous problem: Sea level rise.
...When the six-part series first screened on BBC2, its notoriety grew so rapidly it was immediately repeated in double-bill chunks on BBC1, and repeated a third time not long after. Nominated for 11 Baftas in 1986, it won six of them.
It didn't just burn bright and fade away, either. In 2010, when this paper compiled a definitive list of the 50 greatest TV dramas, the omission of Edge of Darkness caused such a vituperative reader backlash that the series was promptly reassessed. A ferociously beloved 1980s artefact, then, with a critical half-life as potent as the plutonium at the murky heart of its mystery. But if you haven't yet seen Edge of Darkness, this is the perfect chance to wade into its treacherous psychological and philosophical depths, and drink in the performance of the late Bob Peck.


Judging by your report on the Trump Government, it looks to us as if he is indeed the precursor to the Anti-Christ. Whoever removes Trump will surely be seen as the long-desired World Saver.


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As Wikipedia's Throne of God article mentions, **Christians tend to take the throne as a symbol/allegory. That said, I do think the "burning" angels around a throne (from the other thread) in the Ezekiel "vision" was a literal comet fragment plasma effect sighting. Comet fragments were real and channeling is real but the two aren't really as directly morphed as the stories might suggest.

As for Adam and Eve (themselves symbolic of course); a modern channeling view used the Wizard of Oz as an analogy for what happened. Essentially there was a golden age environment that had become not very hospitable and there was some thinking about going away for something better/more exciting and after some natural cataclysmic event, we are all learning about the guy behind the curtain and there being no place like home. Supposedly the Wizard of Oz itself was channeling inspired (some channel without knowing it).


While we agree with much of what you say, we do not think you take everything into account.

Leaving aside the politics, the authors of the Bible had far more reason than we do today for discussing the weather, using their astrological metaphors; any four "angels" were nothing more than the four seasons, the four cardinal points.

Our Alphas, somewhere in the past 50,000 years, realised we are born incomplete, and had to be educated in what life is all about. Show us any villain today and we can explain their actions in terms of the way they were brought up, the environment they lived in.

They did indeed pay far more attention to natural disasters, using them the same way the extremist USA Christians use events such as the Katrina disaster. Just compare the Atherton Tableland eruptions of some 15,000 years ago and the much later Sodom and Gomorrah stories, both making exactly the same point for exactly the same reason.

** That, for us, it yet another example of the differences in the way we are genetically programmed. As we see it, the majority of religionists are exoteric and are programmed to read the Bible literally.

Only those programmed as esoterics understand the messages these were designed to reveal only to the initiates.

Unfortunately we have lost the plot, and even the esoterics have great difficulty understanding the original meanings of the metaphors and analogies.

Had an interesting experiment t'other night.

With a little help from our friends, our Behaviourist neutrino empathy modules made a valiant effort to emphasise with the Chinese Hongwu Emperor of the Ming Dynasty who built Beijing's Forbidden City on an archaeology program. He was a vicious murderer, yet created a city far bigger and more impressive than I had understood.

The cost was beyond belief, and the program showed how it had withstood numerous earthquakes, Beijing being on a dangerous tectonic plates. They built a scale model of a major building and showed how the intricate wooden structure was designed and built to move with the earth tremors. The earthen walls collapsed, but the wooden frame withstood "earthquakes" above the 10 level.

Could not find a culture more different than mine, so trying to be the Yongle Emperor was a major task. Together, we got enough to almost be that man, to be him as he created this amazing site, a work of man which has withstood everything thrown against it.

That is how we work, driven by Kipling's six honest serving men.

We can recommend the exercise; try BEING the people we deal with daily, whether in our personal lives or when watching the news. Go into the most insignificant detail and really BE the person we are trying to emphasise with.

Try, for example, being Donald Trump, understanding why he behaves as he does.

Might need more than out ASCs, though.

BTW, my older lad made a brilliant Wizard in his high school's performance of the play.


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http://www.newsweek.com/us-sov...er-operations-717460

JFK false flag plans for USSR.


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and even the esoterics have great difficulty understanding the original meanings of the metaphors and analogies.


We know what we need to know, and there are various legitimate interpretations.

Though there can be problems with the filters we have.


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Try, for example, being Donald Trump, understanding why he behaves as he does.


My best guess would that his parents never showed any love for him, on top of his natural born nature. So he looks for it in everyone else. While feeding his dark side.


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BTW, my older lad made a brilliant Wizard in his high school's performance of the play.


Pinball Wizard or Wizard of Oz? Or Harry Potter?

I made a pretty good one at the Renassaince Fair the one time I made it. People thought we (I designed the costumes and choose the materials, my best friends mom put it together for us) were working at it.


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Roy Moore vows to 'take off the gloves' in the final weeks of Senate campaign


In certain circles, a glove is a euphemism for condom.

Between that and Moore's worship of Satan, I'm sure the general population will be f'd if he wins.


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Leaving aside the politics, the authors of the Bible had far more reason than we do today for discussing the weather, using their astrological metaphors; any four "angels" were nothing more than the four seasons, the four cardinal points...

They did indeed pay far more attention to natural disasters, using them the same way the extremist USA Christians use events such as the Katrina disaster. Just compare the Atherton Tableland eruptions of some 15,000 years ago and the much later Sodom and Gomorrah stories, both making exactly the same point for exactly the same reason.

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Could not find a culture more different than mine, so trying to be the Yongle Emperor was a major task. Together, we got enough to almost be that man, to be him as he created this amazing site, a work of man which has withstood everything thrown against it.

That is how we work, driven by Kipling's six honest serving men.

We can recommend the exercise; try BEING the people we deal with daily, whether in our personal lives or when watching the news. Go into the most insignificant detail and really BE the person we are trying to emphasise with.

Try, for example, being Donald Trump, understanding why he behaves as he does.



Yeah Greek elements make good coordinates for the Zodiac too but good coordinate systems can be derived from things with other uses.

Space weather is a concern too and not just in the Bible.

From Consulship of Tiberius Gracchus and Manius Iuventius - BC 163

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At Capua the sun was seen by night. On the Stellate Plain part of a flock of wethers was struck dead by a thunderbolt. At Tarracina, male triplets were born. At Formiae two suns were seen by day. The sky was afire. At Antium a man was burned up by a ray of light from a mirror. At Gabii there was a rain of milk. Several things were overthrown by lightning on the Palatine. A swan glided into the temple of Victory and eluded the grasp of those who tried to capture it. At Privernum a girl was born without any hands. In Cephallenia a trumpet seemed to sound from the sky. There was a rain of earth. A windstorm demolished houses and laid crops flat in the fields. There was frequent lightning. By night an apparent sun shone at Pisaurum. At Acere a pig was born with human hands and feet, and children were born with four feet and four hands. At Forum Aesi an ox was uninjured by flame which sprang from its own mouth.


Relates to Biblical trumpeting and "burning" angels of our other thread.

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"Seraphim" (lit. "burning") angels. These angels appear like flashes of fire continuously ascending and descending... The movement of all the angels of the chariot is controlled by the "Likeness of a Man" on the Throne.


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Then I looked, and I heard an eagle flying in midheaven, saying with a loud voice, “Woe, woe, woe to those who dwell on the earth, because of the remaining blasts of the trumpet of the three angels who are about to sound!


We have the ox, eagle, man cardinals in their comet imagery form. The man on the throne would be a "squatting man" which is common from plasma in the lab as well as ancient drawings.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/t...quakes/#4ff73bd56f24

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Scientists have found strong evidence that 2018 will see a big uptick in the number of large earthquakes globally. Earth's rotation, as with many things, is cyclical, slowing down by a few milliseconds per day then speeding up again...

Geophysicists are able to measure the rotational speed of Earth extremely precisely, calculating slight variations on the order of milliseconds. Now, scientists believe a slowdown of the Earth's rotation is the link to an observed cyclical increase in earthquakes.


Ice ages tend to correlate with comets and earthquakes and volcanoes and it's likely related to solar sunspot cycles. Solar magnetic field changes mean more dust, charged particles, and charged fragments getting close to us which means more precipitation (snow at the poles).

Also the slow down of earth's rotation for more earthquakes/volcanoes and dust in the air (less sun) and ice age time. We are a bit overdo (compared to average) for both a little ice age and the big one. Those ancients had good reason for building well. Also a little man-made global warming could actually be holding off an ice age but I'm pretty sure we aren't going to stop it.

Trump is a sign the voters instinctively know our false flag planning entrenched politicians are extremely no good. He's an outsider who is less of a pushover than Carter and less of a join the enemy guy (like with the Clintons as good friends with the Bushes). Trump though now knows he won't be allowed to be friends with the Russians any more than JFK was allowed to stop the false flag planning.
 
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Trump is a sign the voters instinctively know our false flag planning entrenched politicians are extremely no good. He's an outsider who is less of a pushover than Carter and less of a join the enemy guy (like with the Clintons as good friends with the Bushes). Trump though now knows he won't be allowed to be friends with the Russians any more than JFK was allowed to stop the false flag planning.


And yet they vote for another bad guy. And Trump is already friends with the Russians, just a question of how close, same for most people around him.

And as far as the Russians are concerned he might not need to be a close friend, just an easily manipulated puppet.

There are indications that the Russians started keeping close tabs on him when he married Ivana. Her father reported to the Czech secret service in trade for her visiting. That information got fed to the KGB, who eventually set up his visit to Moscow.


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Some probable good news/bad news on my end,

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1. Feeling better, but still weak. Weather has been nice.
2. Should be getting approx. $20 COLA from SS (I hope)

Bad
1. getting $40 rent increase
2. Should be expecting Food Stamp decrease with the COLA increase.


Miss Reed, Mrs. Exp, Sia, Vicki(despite our arguments), and CMS, among others.


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Some probable good news/bad news on my end,

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1. Feeling better, but still weak. Weather has been nice.
2. Should be getting approx. $20 COLA from SS (I hope)

Bad
1. getting $40 rent increase
2. Should be expecting Food Stamp decrease with the COLA increase.


Miss Reed, Mrs. Exp, Sia, Vicki(despite our arguments), and CMS, among others.


Glad to hear you are feeling better!

And yeah, I expect that my medical insurance increase will more than eat up my SS increase.

I miss 'em too. Reed should be back online shortly, but I haven't heard back from mrs exp nor yba since I shot them an email a couple of days ago. Haven't heard back from SIA in about 3-4 months. Don't have a contact point for CMS or Vicki. We all seem to have lost contact with Gershom...

The last I heard from mrs exp was about a week or so ago when she said to expect a call from yba the next morning. It never came. But Marianne had just had a major stroke and was back in the hospital expecting another surgery, and it was doubtful she would survive it.


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And yet they vote for another bad guy. And Trump is already friends with the Russians, just a question of how close, same for most people around him.

And as far as the Russians are concerned he might not need to be a close friend, just an easily manipulated puppet.

There are indications that the Russians started keeping close tabs on him when he married Ivana. Her father reported to the Czech secret service in trade for her visiting. That information got fed to the KGB, who eventually set up his visit to Moscow.


It's not like the voters were presented with a variety of outsiders with a chance to win. I wish Trump was really good friends with Putin since that would mean no nuclear war threats and great cooperation for solving lots of world problems. The rest of the U.S. government just won't let that happen. I actually trust Putin and the KGB more than the false flagging CIA and friends (I'm pretty sure Trump is not a CIA friend).
 
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Just received an email from yba. The news is not good.

Evidently Marianne's stroke was massive and she now sleeps most of the time, but has recognized Steve and their daughter "sometimes" during the short periods when she is awake.

Prognosis is that she isn't likely to get much better and but rather expected to continually decline.

Such sad news...

Furthermore, he has lost some of our email addresses, so if you haven't heard from him in a while, you might want to make contact with him so he can restore his email list.


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And yet they vote for another bad guy. And Trump is already friends with the Russians, just a question of how close, same for most people around him.

And as far as the Russians are concerned he might not need to be a close friend, just an easily manipulated puppet.

There are indications that the Russians started keeping close tabs on him when he married Ivana. Her father reported to the Czech secret service in trade for her visiting. That information got fed to the KGB, who eventually set up his visit to Moscow.


It's not like the voters were presented with a variety of outsiders with a chance to win. I wish Trump was really good friends with Putin since that would mean no nuclear war threats and great cooperation for solving lots of world problems. The rest of the U.S. government just won't let that happen. I actually trust Putin and the KGB more than the false flagging CIA and friends (I'm pretty sure Trump is not a CIA friend).


The Soviets have done their own deeds, and in their case don't need to false flag like we do.

As far as Trump and Putin, I expect Trump is just an ignorant stooge of Putin. Also apparently according to Tillerson, we don't need a State Department as large anymore as there will be world peace and everybody will be singing "joy to the world". So the U.S. is backing out of the world and letting China move in to the power vacuum (which might or might not be a good thing).

Although if Tillerson is telling the truth one wonders why we need a massive military increase.


And yes I agree the options for President sucked big time. But then only the bad choices run in the first place.

P.S. Trumps only true friend is himself. Although on the other hand that applies to a lot of people in this world.


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Just received an email from yba. The news is not good.

Evidently Marianne's stroke was massive and she now sleeps most of the time, but has recognized Steve and their daughter "sometimes" during the short periods when she is awake.

Prognosis is that she isn't likely to get much better and but rather expected to continually decline.

Such sad news...

Furthermore, he has lost some of our email addresses, so if you haven't heard from him in a while, you might want to make contact with him so he can restore his email list.


I usually try to avoid Yba since he objects to my Anti-Zionism as that was or used to be his desire.

However, given that pass on my sorrow at her situation, Frown   :(


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Some probable good news/bad news on my end,

good
1. Feeling better, but still weak. Weather has been nice.
2. Should be getting approx. $20 COLA from SS (I hope)

Bad
1. getting $40 rent increase
2. Should be expecting Food Stamp decrease with the COLA increase.


Miss Reed, Mrs. Exp, Sia, Vicki(despite our arguments), and CMS, among others.


I was wondering if you were ok when I didn't see you on Facebook anymore. I'm glad you're feeling better. So sad about Marianne, though.


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