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As for not taking pain pills, I couldn’t figured out why the doctor gave me perceset and lidocaine for a rash she called shingles! They were miserable when I went, but by the time I got home I knew why! And the delivery of meds takes 3 hours. Fortunately I had some perceset at home.

Have known of only 2 people who had shingles, my old boyfriend (long after we broke up) and one of the Majors at work. Once I realized shingles was caused by a herpes virus, I knew exactly what to tell them to take.

Long ago I got some painful blisters on the inside edge of my nose, and of course, those tingly nerves make you want to sneeze. Constantly! Once the doc told me what it was, I went in search of a treatment in my herbal books.

The very best treatment turned out to be nothing more than L-Lysine tablets (1000 mg twice per day for 2 days - then 500 mg twice per day until gone plus one day), and an L-Lysine ointment to use topically. Oh, and get the 500 mg tablets because the 1000 mg are just too big to swallow! Oh, and go easy (like don't eat any) foods high in arginine, especially peanuts, pumpkin seeds, soybeans, and only a little chicken and dairy, until it is gone.

I've had it reoccur a couple of times and have gotten it to go away in just a few days with that treatment.

When my old boyfriend called and told me what he had been diagnosed with I told him about the L-Lysine and went to get him some. We couldn't use the ointment because it was just too painful to try to apply it so he had to use his pain meds. But the tablets had it on the outs in just a few days. He immediately called his sister and told her about it because she had suffered from it several times in the past and it had lasted a couple of months each time! Sheesh, I cannot even imagine that.

I told the guy at work about the stuff and he left immediately to go get some. Poor thing had been suffering with it for over 2 weeks and was almost at his wit's end. In just a couple of days he said suicide was no longer a favored option! His wife was even more grateful because she was able to hug him again!!!


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Oh, wow what big teeth you have gramma! You shouldn’t need too big a bite!

They were snickering at me at the dentist's office because they had to dig up some "really small" forms to make my impressions with. But when they put the dentures in, they really had some fun because they almost looked like baby teeth!

Holding them in my hand, they DO look awfully small. But hey, they fill my mouth up so I ain't fussin'.


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Where's Allan?
I want to see if I can bite his butt with my new teeth!!!
LOL!   :lol:


Been a few years since there was any fun in that, pardner.

Well Sugah, I just wanted to see if I could still leave an impression Smile-Big   :D


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As for not taking pain pills, I couldn’t figured out why the doctor gave me perceset and lidocaine for a rash she called shingles! They were miserable when I went, but by the time I got home I knew why! And the delivery of meds takes 3 hours. Fortunately I had some perceset at home.

Have known of only 2 people who had shingles, my old boyfriend (long after we broke up) and one of the Majors at work. Once I realized shingles was caused by a herpes virus, I knew exactly what to tell them to take.

Long ago I got some painful blisters on the inside edge of my nose, and of course, those tingly nerves make you want to sneeze. Constantly! Once the doc told me what it was, I went in search of a treatment in my herbal books.

The very best treatment turned out to be nothing more than L-Lysine tablets (1000 mg twice per day for 2 days - then 500 mg twice per day until gone plus one day), and an L-Lysine ointment to use topically. Oh, and get the 500 mg tablets because the 1000 mg are just too big to swallow! Oh, and go easy (like don't eat any) foods high in arginine, especially peanuts, pumpkin seeds, soybeans, and only a little chicken and dairy, until it is gone.

I've had it reoccur a couple of times and have gotten it to go away in just a few days with that treatment.

When my old boyfriend called and told me what he had been diagnosed with I told him about the L-Lysine and went to get him some. We couldn't use the ointment because it was just too painful to try to apply it so he had to use his pain meds. But the tablets had it on the outs in just a few days. He immediately called his sister and told her about it because she had suffered from it several times in the past and it had lasted a couple of months each time! Sheesh, I cannot even imagine that.

I told the guy at work about the stuff and he left immediately to go get some. Poor thing had been suffering with it for over 2 weeks and was almost at his wit's end. In just a couple of days he said suicide was no longer a favored option! His wife was even more grateful because she was able to hug him again!!!


For some reason my was short lived the lidocaine certainly helped topically. It started out as if it was poison ivy, so I thought. I’d been diagnosised with it as a teen iirc.

I think I took valtrex? The drug for herpes?
 
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Oh, wow what big teeth you have gramma! You shouldn’t need too big a bite!

They were snickering at me at the dentist's office because they had to dig up some "really small" forms to make my impressions with. But when they put the dentures in, they really had some fun because they almost looked like baby teeth!

Holding them in my hand, they DO look awfully small. But hey, they fill my mouth up so I ain't fussin'.


For as big as I’ve been told my mouth I have trouble getting the dental assistant to understand that I need the smallest adult trays. They are always surprised! Lately we have been messing with back teeth and they realize then too that there’s not much room!
 
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For some reason my was short lived the lidocaine certainly helped topically. It started out as if it was poison ivy, so I thought. I’d been diagnosised with it as a teen iirc.

I think I took valtrex? The drug for herpes?

I've never taken any drugs for mine, only the L-Lysine. My old boyfriend's sister said it worked better than the drugs they had been giving her and she had the oral herpes and shingles numerous times.

And yes, my old boyfriend said he originally thought his was poison ivy, but couldn't figure out where in the world he could have gotten it from in the dead of winter in the city!


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For as big as I’ve been told my mouth I have trouble getting the dental assistant to understand that I need the smallest adult trays. They are always surprised! Lately we have been messing with back teeth and they realize then too that there’s not much room!

Had to have my wisdom teeth removed as soon as they started coming in because there was no room for them. The first one was impacted...


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For some reason my was short lived the lidocaine certainly helped topically. It started out as if it was poison ivy, so I thought. I’d been diagnosised with it as a teen iirc.

I think I took valtrex? The drug for herpes?

I've never taken any drugs for mine, only the L-Lysine. My old boyfriend's sister said it worked better than the drugs they had been giving her and she had the oral herpes and shingles numerous times.

And yes, my old boyfriend said he originally thought his was poison ivy, but couldn't figure out where in the world he could have gotten it from in the dead of winter in the city!


I had a messy scab on my mouth that was called herpes simplex 2 when I was 8. The medicine was sulphuric and very yellow. People kept telling me I had egg on my face, and then breakfast when I protested about noneggs. Still didn’t have cereal on my face either! One adult thought I was lying and told me that I just needed to wash my face. Still couldn’t find what anyone was talking about.
 
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For as big as I’ve been told my mouth I have trouble getting the dental assistant to understand that I need the smallest adult trays. They are always surprised! Lately we have been messing with back teeth and they realize then too that there’s not much room!

Had to have my wisdom teeth removed as soon as they started coming in because there was no room for them. The first one was impacted...


Yep, I still don’t know how there was room for them!
 
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Well Sugah, I just wanted to see if I could still leave an impression Smile-Big   :D


Impression enough already, m'dear.


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I had a messy scab on my mouth that was called herpes simplex 2 when I was 8. The medicine was sulphuric and very yellow. People kept telling me I had egg on my face, and then breakfast when I protested about noneggs. Still didn’t have cereal on my face either! One adult thought I was lying and told me that I just needed to wash my face. Still couldn’t find what anyone was talking about.

I haven't had to treat mine in years because I take an L-Lysine tablet every single time I eat anything high in arginine. Seems the herpes virus grows in arginine rich environment and diminishes in L-Lysine. So it made sense to me to not feed it...

Check this out:

arginine-lysine relationship


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Well Sugah, I just wanted to see if I could still leave an impression Smile-Big   :D


Impression enough already, m'dear.


OK, if you say so!


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Had to have my wisdom teeth removed as soon as they started coming in because there was no room for them. The first one was impacted...


My dentist many a long year ago handed me an X-ray of a wisdom tooth he planned to extract. I turned the X-ray sideways to get a proper look. However, the dentist turned it back the original way.

The tooth was indeed at right angles to where it should have been.

Good as he was, he handed me over to a specialist, who described it as a horror tooth.

He drilled a hole, then inserted a rod which he twisted backwards and forwards until it split

Didn't hurt, of course, but after the first two hours (or so it seemed) I felt ready to pass out.


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Yeah even if Great Britain got it via Rome, Rome could still have got it from somewhere.


This is where you and I differ mightily.

The Romans so respected the earlier Greeks they adopted much of their culture, including Greek deities.

Graves goes much further back, which is more in line with where I come from.

https://www.historymuseum.ca/c.../greece/gr1030e.html
Around 2000 BC Greek-speaking immigrants moved into the Aegean. Skeletal remains confirm they were tall and well built. The newcomers looked first to the sea for food and later found that the dry and rocky soil was well suited for growing olives and grapes. It seems these people were a war-like lot, ruled by military leaders. In many ways they resembled the Vikings that would plague Europe some 25 centuries later- pirates, raiders and traders- who after a time settled down and became civilized. The term Mycenaean has been given to this civilization, derived from Mycenae, the site first excavated by Heinrich Schliemann after his discovery of fabled Troy.
The Mycenaeans began to trade and have cultural contact with the Minoans. The latter influenced the development of their cities, the production of trade goods and improvements in agriculture

(I do wish these people would get it right. Frank Calvert was the first to find Troy.
wiki It was Calvert who identified Hissarlik as Troy and suggested Schliemann dig there on land owned by Calvert's family.[16])

Even better, Graves tracks those ancient movements, showing just how much they impacted all the way across to Britain and further north.

He shows how the much older mythologies, some from even earlier Libya and Sudan, were expanded and changed over the millennia, often becoming unrecognisable without deep digging.

He is one source for my Black Sea fixation, and the movement east from Libya which, I reckon, is where the later Jews came from.


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Had to have my wisdom teeth removed as soon as they started coming in because there was no room for them. The first one was impacted...


My dentist many a long year ago handed me an X-ray of a wisdom tooth he planned to extract. I turned the X-ray sideways to get a proper look. However, the dentist turned it back the original way.

The tooth was indeed at right angles to where it should have been.

Good as he was, he handed me over to a specialist, who described it as a horror tooth.

He drilled a hole, then inserted a rod which he twisted backwards and forwards until it split

Didn't hurt, of course, but after the first two hours (or so it seemed) I felt ready to pass out.

My dentist quartered mine with a little hammer and chisel and pulled the quarters out one at a time... Seems a bit more humane to me.


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This is where you and I differ mightily.

The Romans so respected the earlier Greeks they adopted much of their culture, including Greek deities.


Yes Julius Caesar was quite into the Stoic Posidonius of Rhodes hence you can find people relating Paul to Stoicism. Caesar's army's Mithraism was kind of a folk religion version of Stoicism. These Imperial Cult ideas kind of rubbed off on Paul. Tarsus was famous for Paul, Mithraism, and Stoicism. That said, individual Roman era things like Caesar's sword or Caesar's comet can get added to legends too.

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Graves goes much further back, which is more in line with where I come from... (I do wish these people would get it right. Frank Calvert was the first to find Troy.
wiki It was Calvert who identified Hissarlik as Troy and suggested Schliemann dig there on land owned by Calvert's family.[16])


Yeah that's Luwian country which Hittite kings took over using monotheism and is responsible for me thinking of Luwian as Levite and Helen, Sarah, Nefertiti, Henti, and Nephele as the same lady.

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He is one source for my Black Sea fixation, and the movement east from Libya which, I reckon, is where the later Jews came from.
Yes we certainly have things going eventually back to Atlantis refugees (Pontic Steppe/Egypt/Central America). Tracking Jews and tracking their monotheist influences though are two different things once you go back before Cyrus.
 
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Yes we certainly have things going eventually back to Atlantis refugees (Pontic Steppe/Egypt/Central America). Tracking Jews and tracking their monotheist influences though are two different things once you go back before Cyrus.

You are going back maybe 5000 years. I am going back at least 45,000 years.

Is it any wonder I get pissed off with our Eurocentric Judaeo-Christianisation?

Went looking for the world's oldest living language, and all I got was Chinese, Tamil and, believe it or not, Hebrew, along with a few others. No mention at all of the Khoisan or the First Australians.

Took a bloody long time before I found Stuart J Walton's post on
https://www.quora.com/What-is-...directed_qid=2007117
Without a doubt, Martu Wangka,* which is spoken by about 1,100 Martu (Mardu) people in and around the Gibson Desert and the Great Sandy Desert area of Western Australia.
...But imagine if you lived in a land where there were no outsiders coming into your domain? Ever.
Imagine living in an unchanging landscape of limited features, using tools and technology tens of thousands of years old, your only companions being your tribe or others closely related through marriage, or clanship, your only ceremonies being ritualised dance and monotone music.
Imagine, nothing changes. There is no need for new vocabulary, no protestants, no transubstantiation, no lacquer, perspective, camel's-hair brush, or even the need for permanent shelter.
Central Australian nomadic Aborigine are a people whose language and lifestyle, have remained relatively unchanged for the past 45,000 years.

Then we have:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gabarnmung
Gabarnmung (or Nawarla Gabarnmung, Jawoyn language for "(place of) hole in the rock"[1]) is an archaeological and rock art site in south-western Arnhem Land, in the Top End of Australia’s Northern Territory. Habitation of the site has been dated to at least 44,000 years ago, placing it among the oldest radiocarbon dated sites in Australia (known older sites, such as the nearby Madjedbebe, are dated stratigraphically). The oldest rock art was produced more than 28,000 years ago, making it the oldest securely dated prehistoric art in Australia.[2] The cave was still visited by members of the Jawoyn within living memory, possibly until as late as the 1950s,[3] but its existence had been forgotten until its 2006 rediscovery.

Love to put a spoke in the wheels of this one:
https://www.theherald.com.au/s...woy-fact-or-fantasy/
ACADEMICS, archaeologists and other authorities believe Dr Hans-Dieter von Senff crosses the line from fact to fantasy in claiming Egyptians lived in the hills overlooking Woy Woy about 5000 years ago.

Across Brisbane Water from Woy Woy is Gosford:

https://www.ancient-code.com/t...hs-in-australia-say/
Referred to as the GOSFORD GLYPHS, the intricate set of symbols is believed to have been carved some 5,000 years ago by ancient Egyptians who visited Australia.
Considered a hoax by many, and ultimate evidence of ancient Egyptian trans-oceanic voyages by others, the curious set of symbols has produced mixed views from researchers around the globe.

If you can get a map of Brisbane Water, in south-east NSW, you will see that Woy Woy and Gosford are at the opposite ends of this, and it has has access to the Pacific Ocean. A magnificent region, it would have been terrific for the First Australians until we whitefellas arrived.
https://www.centralcoastaustra...ocation-and-map/map/

What happens when we take Oppenheimer's Eden in the East and hypothesise a maritime civilisation wiped out by the inundations at the end of the Ice Age? Not hard to imagine their ships coming to Australia from what is now Indonesia, though there would be little need; no trade, no easily found gold or anything else.

Could survivors have become the first Egyptians, others reaching Mexico?

Makes more sense than much of what I see, but it is a no-go zone for the orthodox scientists.


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You are going back maybe 5000 years. I am going back at least 45,000 years.
Well the Younger Dryas/Atlantis refugees were 12,000 years ago. Plato mentions a confederation of kings for Atlantis but 12,000 years ago is way too far back to have any king records to compare to. For Troy/Luwians there are king records to look at but yes we are only talking three to four thousand years ago.

Yes there's nice Zurvan related imagery 40,000 years ago and nice cave drawings but nothing about specific kings/empires. I can go 300,000 years ago for Adam & Eve times but the only thing you have for that is an explosion of tool use in Africa. There just isn't enough raw data to continuously explore once you get too far back.

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Is it any wonder I get pissed off with our Eurocentric Judaeo-Christianisation?
Well the Jews did borrow interesting history that led me back through Troy/Luwians where there is interesting raw data to explore.

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Went looking for the world's oldest living language, and all I got was Chinese, Tamil and, believe it or not, Hebrew, along with a few others. No mention at all of the Khoisan or the First Australians.
Well in principle you could trace everybody back as far as humans go back so the question is when/where do changes occur. For fewer changes, isolation would help and maybe some groups are also more rigid about not doing changes at times. I tend to look at Nostratic vs not-Nostratic as the main division. Wonder if Denisovans had any effect on the First Australian languages like they did for genes? Somebody very loosely linked Tamil and the First Australians.

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What happens when we take Oppenheimer's Eden in the East and hypothesise a maritime civilisation wiped out by the inundations at the end of the Ice Age? Not hard to imagine their ships coming to Australia from what is now Indonesia, though there would be little need; no trade, no easily found gold or anything else.

Could survivors have become the first Egyptians, others reaching Mexico?

Makes more sense than much of what I see, but it is a no-go zone for the orthodox scientists.
Makes sense to me. The Denisovans before the wipeout could have been part of Platos' Atlantis confederation that made the trip thus accounting for the Denisovan genes in the First Australians.
 
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Well the Younger Dryas/Atlantis refugees were 12,000 years ago. Plato mentions a confederation of kings for Atlantis but 12,000 years ago is way too far back to have any king records to compare to. For Troy/Luwians there are king records to look at but yes we are only talking three to four thousand years ago.

Be interesting to know why you have this focus on kings?

I ask because according to The Golden Bough and The White Goddess the first kings got extremely short shrift, ritually executed and replaced by their tanist (in the broader sense, not Gaelic) to mark the winter/summer, summer/winter change in season.

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Yes there's nice Zurvan related imagery 40,000 years ago and nice cave drawings but nothing about specific kings/empires. I can go 300,000 years ago for Adam & Eve times but the only thing you have for that is an explosion of tool use in Africa. There just isn't enough raw data to continuously explore once you get too far back.


But that is not so. We'll never know how much we lost with our treatment of the First Australians. However, if and when we overcome our Judaeo-Christianised Eurocentrism there should still be enough if they are willing to share.

Once we started to build cities after we began farming, we lost contact with nature, which has been our downfall.

Despite 6000 years of civilisation we remain an evolved social/tribal animal, and we need to get back to basics.

Much of what we have lost, such as telepathy, is a direct consequence of city life. We have far too much information for our brains to cope with, and the animism of our ancestors, their spirit relationship with all else, has been all but lost.

By delightful serendipity, my primary school library had a stock of books by Ion Idriess. Maybe it was his Welsh genes which allowed him to relate so fully with the First Australians and the Torres Strait Islanders.

https://www.theaustralian.com....fa0912880-1552197964 -- my emphasis:
Idriess immediately has a sense that there are secrets to learn from his new companion. Some while later, the invitation comes: “How about a walkabout to the Dry River now? Then we can follow right up, cross the divide, and drop down on Stannary Hills or Irvinebank. An easy walk, then back along the Herberton road.” Tempting! So begins a quest narrative without obvious parallel in Australian literature, a kind of extended tutorial in natural science and bush lore, interspersed amid the stages of a rainforest journey, expounded in a subtle style.
The two walk for days, weeks; their talks range wide: mummification techniques among the Cape Aborigines, death adders and their desires, night-sight, telepathy. Rare creatures throng round them — golden bowerbirds, iridescent pigeons, the giant moth of the inland, its wings “like broad leaves of a light-brown plush upon which were painted enormous eyes of gold centred with a black pupil fairly shimmering in the firelight” — all the wondrous inhabitants of the “green world” they move through, following the creek-lines through the jungle, peering up at the blue ribbon of the sky.

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Well the Jews did borrow interesting history that led me back through Troy/Luwians where there is interesting raw data to explore.


According to Graves, the Jewish priests deliberately distorted the mythologies they borrowed.

In one, Jacob's battle with the angel, his dislocated thigh, are nothing more than a standard battle for kingship, no doubt with Esau. Jacob was Jah-aced, or Heel God. His raised heel associated him with the Bull God. Forced to walk on his toes, keeping his sacred heel off the ground, he strutted like a male partridge in a mating ritual. Ever wondered why the Jewish kings had a servant to support their thighs?

The creators of the Tanakh have much to answer for.

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Well in principle you could trace everybody back as far as humans go back so the question is when/where do changes occur. For fewer changes, isolation would help and maybe some groups are also more rigid about not doing changes at times.


I was looking solely for the first languages, so was totally pissed off when none of the first links mentioned the Khoisan or the First Australians.


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Be interesting to know why you have this focus on kings?

I ask because according to The Golden Bough and The White Goddess the first kings got extremely short shrift, ritually executed...
Yes as gets mentioned for Arthur legends, the land and the king are one hence the king gets blamed if the land has problems. Luwian kings even blamed themselves for things like plagues even when they couldn't figure out what they did wrong.

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Much of what we have lost, such as telepathy, is a direct consequence of city life. We have far too much information for our brains to cope with, and the animism of our ancestors, their spirit relationship with all else, has been all but lost.

By delightful serendipity, my primary school library had a stock of books by Ion Idriess. Maybe it was his Welsh genes which allowed him to relate so fully with the First Australians and the Torres Strait Islanders...
Would be nice to get telepathy back more via learning. I tend to think cataclysms didn't help. If something like the Younger Dryas impacts happened again, I'm not sure our descendants could rebuild something like wireless cell phones before they totally forgot about the possibility.

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According to Graves, the Jewish priests deliberately distorted the mythologies they borrowed.
Well there was an orthodox vs Enochian battle so like with Paul there could in principle be some ends justify means distortion but yes self centered Polycarp-like distortion could be there. I tend to be anti-orthodox in general since the other gnostic/Hellenistic side tends to create stories they know are not literal history in order to accomplish something like illustrating truths or uplifting the masses.

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In one, Jacob's battle with the angel, his dislocated thigh, are nothing more than a standard battle for kingship, no doubt with Esau. Jacob was Jah-aced, or Heel God. His raised heel associated him with the Bull God. Forced to walk on his toes, keeping his sacred heel off the ground, he strutted like a male partridge in a mating ritual. Ever wondered why the Jewish kings had a servant to support their thighs?
Related to Achilles' heel aka the trailing part can have problems if you aren't careful aka originally Bull god comets with their trailing tails running into the horizon or other fragments.

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I was looking solely for the first languages, so was totally pissed off when none of the first links mentioned the Khoisan or the First Australians.
The Khoisan, First Arabs, First Australians along with East Asians probably are the main non-Nostratic people to look at.

I do tend to think the First Australian language goes back to the ice age at least but there are people who consider the northern and eastern versions to be too different thus they don't think the language has stayed the same enough to be an old language.
 
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Yes as gets mentioned for Arthur legends, the land and the king are one hence the king gets blamed if the land has problems. Luwian kings even blamed themselves for things like plagues even when they couldn't figure out what they did wrong.


We are talking entirely different cultures here, with mine probably much older.

In yours, the tribal leader would lead the way in an annual free-sex fertility ritual, the leader uniting with the High Priestess. So long as everything worked well, plenty of food, no wars, and so on, he stayed at the top.

In mine, we are talking about a seasonal, six-monthly, sacrifice of the king to ensure a successful change of season. Winter meant death, so the Summer King died.

City folk take their calendar for granted. Those who depend entirely on successful changes of season still do not.

That is one reason Christianity has been ignored in this respect, especially during the planting season.

Can't find it on the Internet, but have seen suggestions that even in the 19th, and possibly 20th century, farmer and wife would have it off in the fields before planting as a reminder to Father Sky this is what he needed to do to ensure he fertilised Mother Earth so they could have a top crop.

Nice to see the evidence supporting my position on the harm we caused ourselves when we turned from hunter-gathering to farming:

http://discovermagazine.com/19...ry-of-the-human-race

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Related to Achilles' heel aka the trailing part can have problems if you aren't careful aka originally Bull god comets with their trailing tails running into the horizon or other fragments.


But first we have to understand the fact that the wild bull figured in mythology long before it became associated with the relatively rare phenomenon of the comet or meteor strike.

When I get back from feeding the birds I'll have a look at this to see if it helps me make the connection between bulls andf comets. If you have better sources, please provide them.

https://www.bibliotecapleyades...a/ragnarok/rag17.htm

Could not visualise the connection between a bull's fetlock and a human foot poised on its toes. Even looking at some images it was still a bit of a stretch but it is there. Especially when it is connected with the male partridge in its fighting stance, one leg poised to strike.
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I do tend to think the First Australian language goes back to the ice age at least but there are people who consider the northern and eastern versions to be too different thus they don't think the language has stayed the same enough to be an old language.


Why would you limit it thus? They have been here a bare minimum of 45,000 years, more likely 70,000. Nor did the Ice Age have any serious effect on Australia that I know of.I know of some 20 stories from coastlines north to south which tell of the inundation of the continental shelves way back. Still waiting from confirmation that a story from just north of me is one such. The family was foraging on the shores when something about the incoming tide greatly concerned the father. Coastal tribes would have understood tides far better than we do, so why did this one concern him so much? Perhaps a tsunami, though so far as I can tell we are a long way from the Pacific Rim.

As for different languages, there is a suggestion we had migrations from two different types of people.


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We are talking entirely different cultures here, with mine probably much older.
Sure you can always trace back. Luwians came down from the Pontic Steppe so how well did Luwians remember their Pontic Steppe ideas? The Pontic Steppe was a place where Younger Dryas refugees went so how well did the Pontic Steppe people remember their Younger Dryas ideas? Before the Younger Dryas, 40,000 years ago, there were Lion-headed Zurvan-like ideas so how well did those ideas make it to Younger Dryas times?

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In yours, the tribal leader would lead the way in an annual free-sex fertility ritual, the leader uniting with the High Priestess. So long as everything worked well, plenty of food, no wars, and so on, he stayed at the top.
Well yes the folk religions where everybody was into rituals from Zoroaster's people to Mystery Cults to Mithraism kind of replayed ancient comet battle sex scenes. Meanwhile Zoroaster, Pythagoras, Socrates, Posidonius, Paul, etc. were a tad more research driven.

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In mine, we are talking about a seasonal, six-monthly, sacrifice of the king to ensure a successful change of season. Winter meant death, so the Summer King died.
In my view kind of the same comet basis though:

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I’m sure that you can easily recognize the Vanishing God traditions of other cultures. These myths concern the disappearance of fertility deities and the resulting withering of the land and loss of fertility. In Mesopotamia, there was the abduction of the shepherd god, Dumuzi, to the Underworld. The Greeks told the story of Persephone’s abduction to Hades. These stories are interpreted nowadays as the ancient means of explaining the recurring cycles of seasons: in some cases, the Persephone story divides the year into 4 and 8 months, in others it is 6 and 6. But is the modern explanation for why these stories developed the correct one? If we consider what we have already covered regarding repeating cometary bombardment, the story begins to make a lot more sense. Also, with the recovery of the texts of these dramatic extravaganzas, we may be justified in thinking that this is what was going on in the ‘Mystery Religion’ initiatory performances.

Knight-Jadczyk, Laura. Comets and the Horns of Moses (The Secret History of the World Book 2) (p. 177). Red Pill Press. Kindle Edition.


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Nice to see the evidence supporting my position on the harm we caused ourselves when we turned from hunter-gathering to farming
Ketogenic better than Vegan!

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But first we have to understand the fact that the wild bull figured in mythology long before it became associated with the relatively rare phenomenon of the comet or meteor strike.
It's rare now but not during the tens of thousands of years of the last ice age when the Clube-Napier short period giant comet was gradually breaking up in the inner solar system culminating with the Younger Dryas hits.

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Could not visualise the connection between a bull's fetlock and a human foot poised on its toes. Even looking at some images it was still a bit of a stretch but it is there. Especially when it is connected with the male partridge in its fighting stance, one leg poised to strike.
The Bull of Heaven's feet are certainly more famous for shaking the ground as in Gilgamesh. Enkidu shook the haunches after the Bull was dismembered so trying to avoid dismemberment was a problem for the Bull.

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Why would you limit it thus? They have been here a bare minimum of 45,000 years, more likely 70,000...

As for different languages, there is a suggestion we had migrations from two different types of people.
Oh yeah I think the First Australians got there directly after leaving Africa. The First Arabs would be the only other group so directly out of Africa and they have mixed with others much more than the First Australians. I would think the language is a direct evolving of what they left Africa with but it's easier to trace back to the Ice Age than to Africa:

http://www.abc.net.au/science/...06/12/13/1809514.htm

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The key to the new hypothesis is prehistoric Australia's single land mass 13,000 to 28,000 years ago, when New Guinea and Tasmania were still attached, says Dr Mark Clendon in the journal Current Anthropology...

The two population groups were separated by a vast, cold, windswept, arid stretch of land that covered most of the continent...

Until now, the reason why these two Aboriginal language groups are so different, each with a distinct grammar and vocabulary, has been a mystery.
 
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