Jeff

It is the questions that start most scientific inquiries.

On the other hand any source of information might prove useful.

Even the Bible has:

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(World English Bible) Beloved, don't believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. ...

It may also be that an individual may have both a bad and a good angel on his shoulders, so the above applies.

Donald

Here is something really quirky about white winged doves:
The white lines that give them their name when viewed from above form about two-thirds of a halo. This includes a band on the fanned tail, plus bands across the wings.

This is seen most clearly when they take to flight, which might add to any supposed message they might bring.

These bands were copied onto American fighter planes in World War II. They were flown in the Pacific theatre, presumably to help pilots tell planes of different nationalities apart.

Donald-

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These bands were copied onto American fighter planes in World War II. They were flown in the Pacific theatre, presumably to help pilots tell planes of different nationalities apart.

Do you have a link to that? I tried to verify it and came up with nothing.

Jeff

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Originally posted by CompGuy:
I never said Oregon State University was responsible for the comments--obviously, those comments weren't part of the research. For one thing, the research urges eating more fruits, vegetables, and fish and NOT eating more saturated fats!... why not start with a textbook, current respected researchers, scientific journals...
I understand that one channeler is the spouse of a respected physicist--but there are a number of respected physicists who are interested in teaching and helping other researchers without doing seances and speaking with dead people (or pretending to).

Sure before I had kids and the internet was young I used to spend hours in college libraries reading journals but I prefer general sites with a wide variety of sources now. I originally showed up at the channeling group just for that physicist; I didn't know he had a channeling wife, he just turned out to be a good source for Irving Segal's physics ideas in words that I can understand.

His group (which includes a heart surgeon for the diet stuff) turned out to be great for lots of things. The channeler herself is the editor for the english language version of this book on pyschopathology; it's published by the same publisher who publishes her books; notice the SOTT.net links:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ponerology

As for fats, I wouldn't overly trust the mainstream, they were quite wrong when they said margarine was better than butter (it's quite mainstream now to think of trans fats as much worse than saturated fats). My father used to joke that you just had to wait a week for the opinion on Olive oil to change (it's good now in the mainstream). The idea is to read a wide variety of opinions and make up your own mind. For saturated fats there is this from Mercola:

http://articles.mercola.com/si...re-good-for-you.aspx

Keys based his theory on a study of six countries, in which higher saturated fat intake equated to higher rates of heart disease... And, as illustrated in the featured article, when you include all 22 countries for which data was available at the time of his study, you find that those who consume the highest percentage of saturated fat have the lowest risk of heart disease.

Furthermore, many have now realized that it's the trans fat found in margarine, vegetable shortening, and partially hydrogenated vegetable oils that is the true villain, causing far more significant health problems than saturated fat ever could!

...as discussed in the featured article, a number of indigenous tribes around the world are living proof that a high-saturated fat diet equates to low mortality from heart disease.

•A meta-analysis published last year, which pooled data from 21 studies and included nearly 348,000 adults, found no difference in the risks of heart disease and stroke between people with the lowest and highest intakes of saturated fat.

•In a 1992 editorial published in the Archives of Internal Medicine, Dr. William Castelli, a former director of the Framingham Heart study, stated: "the more saturated fat one ate, the more cholesterol one ate, the more calories one ate, the lower the person's serum cholesterol.

•Another 2010 study published in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition found that a reduction in saturated fat intake must be evaluated in the context of replacement by other macronutrients, such as carbohydrates. When you replace saturated fat with a higher carbohydrate intake, particularly refined carbohydrate, you exacerbate insulin resistance and obesity, increase triglycerides and small LDL particles, and reduce beneficial HDL cholesterol.

In fact, your body cannot function without saturated fats! Saturated fats are needed for the proper function of your:
Cell membranes, Heart, Bones (to assimilate calcium), Liver, Lungs, Hormones, Immune system, Satiety (reducing hunger), Genetic regulation.

Well, we agree that nutritional advice keeps changing and contradicting previous recommendations. But the latest research still says you have to avoid saturated fats:

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SATURATED FATS

These are the biggest dietary cause of high LDL levels ("bad cholesterol"). When looking at a food label, pay very close attention to the percentage of saturated fat and avoid or limit any foods that are high. Saturated fat should be limited to 10% of calories. Saturated fats are found in animal products such as butter, cheese, whole milk, ice cream, cream, and fatty meats. They are also found in some vegetable oils -- coconut, palm, and palm kernel oils. (Note: Most other vegetable oils contain unsaturated fat and are healthy.)

Source:
http://health.nytimes.com/heal...on/fat/overview.html

I agree with much of what you say about nutrition, by the way--but I wouldn't conclude that eating more saturated fat is what is needed for most people, or that it cures/treats many diseases.

Anyway, we're stray far away from the original "Why do people believe in angels" topic!

Jeff

Jeff
I can verify that similar markings were used in WWII, and I saw Flying Tiger type planes with the wing marking on TV. Check out
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invasion_stripes

The web sites on bombers are more available than on fighters, so far as I am able to tell.

Donald

I know the planes had stripes--my question is about the stripes being taken from dove markings. Your link doesn't mention that.

Jeff

Jeff
Despite my seeing it on TV, I cannot find a reference on it. I was not aware of the multiple white wing stripes, and I can recall just thinking those single stripes were like the doves, but otherwise...

The other thought was that having the stripes made those planes targets for the enemy. Maybe that is why there are so few pictures.

Here's another thought. Have you seen the tail stripes on the Cooper's Hawk? They are dark, with their killer behavior making them like bad angels.

Donald

Sean

I finally found something pertaining to the Buddhist attitude on World Peace, per the Dalai Lama:

http://www.dalailama.com/messa...an-approach-to-peace

See the section, World Religions and World Peace.

The conference that ended war with Japan ended with the Treaty of San Francisco, and dthis is discussed in Wikipedia. This was a political treaty.

Donald

Just a quick drive-by to let everyone know that any reports of my demise have been greatly exaggerated. I've been preoccupied with another forum this past week, but I'll be back here tomorrow to start playing catch-up.

--Linda

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Originally posted by EQ:
Jeff
Despite my seeing it on TV, I cannot find a reference on it. I was not aware of the multiple white wing stripes, and I can recall just thinking those single stripes were like the doves, but otherwise...

The other thought was that having the stripes made those planes targets for the enemy. Maybe that is why there are so few pictures.

Here's another thought. Have you seen the tail stripes on the Cooper's Hawk? They are dark, with their killer behavior making them like bad angels.

Donald

Jeff
I did a Bible study on doves, and found the sin offerering mentioned several time of two doves or two pigeons, establishing their equal worth, and presemably the need for representation of both sexes.

Of greater interest are these quotes from Psalm 68:

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Psalm 68
New International Version (NIV)
13 Even while you sleep among the sheep pens,
the wings of my dove are sheathed with silver,
its feathers with shining gold.”

32 Sing to God, you kingdoms of the earth,
sing praise to the Lord,
33 to him who rides across the highest heavens, the ancient heavens,
who thunders with mighty voice.
34 Proclaim the power of God,
whose majesty is over Israel,
whose power is in the heavens.
35 You, God, are awesome in your sanctuary;
the God of Israel gives power and strength to his people.

Praise be to God!

Compare this with the white winged dove, the descent of the dove on Jesus, and the thunder of the flock when they take off. Some verses use the dove as an example of beauty. Others talk of the migration, although dove flocks winter here in Albuquerque.

Donald