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Cheating/Adultery. You don’t have to be “religious” to know cheating on your wife/husband/fiancé/boyfriend/girlfriend is flat out wrong. Sadly that bible book has been, and remains a “pick and choose” tool used by so-called “religious” people. Ignore what you do not like yet quote the parts you agree with. Live by this part yet skip over or “interpret” inconvenient, unpleasant things.
Case in point, adultery. Seemingly there is no getting around this issue for people who “live” by the bible, but get around it they do. The book says a certain group should be put to death but those who often quote that part pay no attention to the part that says adulterers should be put to death. That said, this book offers tremendous comfort and guidance to many.
http://www.infidelityassistanc...elity_statistics.php
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ John ...it appeares no other thing to mee, then a foule and pestilent congregation of vapours. What a piece of worke is a man! |
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Eleventh commandment: Thou shalt not get caught.
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You seem to be railing about hypocrisy. How about the basic hypocrisy of choosing which Biblical sins to be concerned about. Adultery must be a big one for you. But what about these others, for example:
Thou shalt kill anyone who works on Sunday. (Exodus 35:2) Women shalt not teach, nor hold authority positions over men. (1 Timothy 2:11-15) Crippled people, dwarves, those with flat noses or damaged testicles must stay away from the altar. (Leviticus 21:18-20) Thou shalt not wear clothes of mixed fibers. (Leviticus 19:19) A woman’s period is disgusting and unclean and anyone who comes near her is guilty of sin. Thou shalt inflict corporal punishment on your children. (Proverbs 13-29) Thou shalt not be disrespectful to thy parents, lest ye be killed. (Leviticus 20:9) Thou shalt not eat pork, shrimp, lobster, or any shellfish. (Leviticus 11:7-12) I assume you consider these sins either not sins or minor sins compared with adultery. If so, isn't that itself an example of pick and choose tendencies? Jeff |
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The Sabbath, not "Sunday". -- Stephen |
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Yes, the Sabbath. I was lazy and found this page:
http://etogre.com/top-10-most-...ns-in-the-bible/110/ and just copied/pasted. The pertinent paragraph reads: My point remains valid, of course. Why is adultery (or homosexuality) a more important sin than these other sins for so many? I could argue with the main premise--that adultery is obviously wrong. There are open marriages. There are nuances--is a BJ adultery? Is "cheating on a girlfriend" always adultery if neither party is married? What if there's no committed relationship? And so forth and so on... Jeff |
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Have you ever noticed that people are most angry about what they themselves have already done? Bingo! Adultery would be it. They simply haven't forgiven themselves.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Koka "When a true genius appears in the world you may know him by this sign; that all the dunces are in confederacy against him." - Jonathan Swift |
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Such minds we have here
Using promiscuity and adultery seemed like sure attention getters...got yours didn't it And again, the bible remains a tremendous source or wisdom, help and comfort to many people. Including hypocrites. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ John ...it appeares no other thing to mee, then a foule and pestilent congregation of vapours. What a piece of worke is a man! |
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Evidently the Bible is more a Source Book than a User's Manual. I have six pairs of socks made of mixed polypropylene, nylon and spandex. That makes me a week-day sinner, but on Sabbaths I shall switch to pure wool or cotton. That system would not work for an adulterer. To return to home and hearth after a six days graze in other pastures would be to risk a fatal beating-up by broom. Seán |
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Everyone, Damn, what happened to my post? It was a whole lot more than a quote of John's lead note and I spent quite a bit of time on it. I had a hard time getting it posted for some unknown reason--Aantares was malfunctioning on me. Now I see that the only thing that actually got posted was the quoted part, not the part I wrote or the link I posted. Please consider this a temporary "place-holder" note and explanation while I try to reconstruct my earlier post. --Linda ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The illusion of freedom will continue as long as it's profitable to continue the illusion. At the point where the illusion becomes too expensive to maintain, they will just take down the scenery, they will pull back the curtains, they will move the tables and chairs out of the way and you will see the brick wall at the back of the theater.” ― Frank Zappa |
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ALL,
John started this thread by talking about adultery. In general, one of the biggest marketing tools of any church is convincing people that they are the "one true and only" and then presenting their menu of rights and wrongs. And, yes, some churches can even break up otherwise happy marriages by claiming that the couple is living in adultery (if, for example one partner was previously married with a living ex-spouse.) Marketing changes over time. Today in the Roman Catholic Church, for example, divorce and remarriage is pretty mundane. Pay out a few hundred dollars, wait a few months, get an annulment, then remarry. Same thing on birth control. "Don't ask, don't tell." So pick and choose has to be looked at from a marketing standpoint as much as anything. Regards, ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Glenn |
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John and everyone, Okay, I'm going to try this one again. I thought of this topic when I read this article on the Care2 website this morning. While the article is about sex education and this topic focuses on adultery, we see the same phenomenon at work in both cases, namely hypocrisy. I could especially relate to this comment in the thread following the main article:
Over and over again for about the last four decades, I've been struck by this particular phenomenon and never been able to make any sense out of it. There is really no difference between the sexual behavior of fundamentalists and other Americans, except that if anything fundies are even MORE out of control and immature in their behavior than others. The big difference is in what they SAY, and in particular what they insist on teaching not only their own kids, but other people's kids too, even in the public schools. Never mind about what they actually do, though--Sarah Palin and her dysfunctional family come to mind in this context. We all know what a total disaster "abstinance-only" sex education has been. The Care2 article is about a newer version called "abstinance plus" sex education, which is really just a euphemism for comprehensive sex education, which includes accurate information about birth control. But I guess they have to get the word "abstinance" in there somehow to keep the fundies happy, or at least not too unhappy. I'll never understand why, though. I think it's long past time to stop giving lip service to a code of sexual behavior none of us actually subscribes to. Was there some earthly reason I would try to impose my grandmother's code of sexual morality on my daughter, after I rejected it for myself years before I had a daughter? That's just crazy. I would never have done it, and would not have wanted her school doing that to her either. Especially not if they lied in their attempts to scare the kids into staying "pure." --Linda ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The illusion of freedom will continue as long as it's profitable to continue the illusion. At the point where the illusion becomes too expensive to maintain, they will just take down the scenery, they will pull back the curtains, they will move the tables and chairs out of the way and you will see the brick wall at the back of the theater.” ― Frank Zappa |
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Linda, I love your last post. It's so filled with the truth. I would NEVER have imposed other peoples values upon my children, never, never, never. I always advised them to think and act for themselves, using their own values and knowledge to arrive at their decisions. I think faith (NOT religion) is such a very personal thing, perhaps the most personal of all our dealings. It should be practiced in just that way, as a personal faith, and NOT imposed upon others. We don't need to read volumes to arrive at our faith, we merely have to seek and it will come to us.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Koka "When a true genius appears in the world you may know him by this sign; that all the dunces are in confederacy against him." - Jonathan Swift |
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Koka, Thanks...I'm glad you see my point. I don't have a whole lot to add to what you said about faith because I agree with it 100%. That said, though--I will have more to add to this topic later on when I have a little more time, because the biblical definition of adultery, and the one still in effect in most countries where the influence of the "religions of the book" is stronger than it is here in America, is a very sexist definition and not the same as the one John was going by in his lead note. That is to say, the term adultery applied only when a married woman was involved. It didn't apply to men and women equally. A married man could pretty much do whatever the hell he wanted, as long as the woman he was messing around with didn't "belong" to another man. It's one more manifestation of the infamous double standard. It does make some kind of sense when you understand that ancient Israel was a polygamous society. By the time the Bible actually came to be written polygamy had almost died out, but Jacob had two wives and two concubines who were all the mothers of his children, as did many of the other biblical figures. So the commandments evolved in a culture where polygamy was part of the historical memory, even if it was no longer actual practice--or very rarely anyway. By "religions of the book" I mean Christianity, Judaism and Islam, of course. I figure everyone knows that anyway, but I thought I'd mention it just in case. --Linda ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The illusion of freedom will continue as long as it's profitable to continue the illusion. At the point where the illusion becomes too expensive to maintain, they will just take down the scenery, they will pull back the curtains, they will move the tables and chairs out of the way and you will see the brick wall at the back of the theater.” ― Frank Zappa |
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Thank you Linda, I figured we saw it in much the same way. BTW, I don't take the Bible and Ancient Israel for my guidelines - I go straight to the Master.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Koka "When a true genius appears in the world you may know him by this sign; that all the dunces are in confederacy against him." - Jonathan Swift |
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Koka, I don't take them as my guidelines either, obviously. I go straight to the Goddess who says: "All acts of love and pleasure are My rituals." That's one of the big positives of a Pagan orientation, of course. It wipes away all lingering traces of the double standard in one fell swoop, as well as any notion that sex and spirituality are opposed to each other. I discovered early on that the opposite is true--they are actually very closely connected. Which is NOT to say that "anything goes"! There are always the feelings of other people to consider, and using or abusing others--children especially--is always wrong. But then I don't need to tell you that! --Linda ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The illusion of freedom will continue as long as it's profitable to continue the illusion. At the point where the illusion becomes too expensive to maintain, they will just take down the scenery, they will pull back the curtains, they will move the tables and chairs out of the way and you will see the brick wall at the back of the theater.” ― Frank Zappa |
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Linda, if you're going straight to the Goddess/Master, then you are given that knowing. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Koka "When a true genius appears in the world you may know him by this sign; that all the dunces are in confederacy against him." - Jonathan Swift |
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Ow, could somebody please pull the twin swords out of my chest. So much hypocrisy and it hurts so many people. Its upsetting. Ow, ow, ow.
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