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> Americans didn't fulfill the dream [of ending slavery] until the Civil War.

Until after the Civil War, that is--which, by the way, contrary to post-war mythology, was not about slavery except as a (primarily economic) factor driving the agricultural and industrial regions of the country apart. Lincoln launched the war for the express purpose of ending secession, and quickly he thought; abolition only became a cause halfway through, to give new moral purpose to an unpopular war that was dragging on. And, btw, the North did not outlaw slavery in the North even, by Constitutional amendment, until after the war.
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My family lived in the South during that era also, migrating to Texas and Oklahoma.

From the World Almanac:

1863: Pres. Lincoln issued Emancipation Proclamation Jan. 1 freeing "all slaves still in rebellion." (That was obviously political, to divide the South.)
1865: 13th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, abolishing slavery, was proposed by Congress on Jan. 31, 1865, passed by Lincoln on Feb. 1, and quickly ratified by the States by Dec. 6, 1865.
Gen. Robert E. Lee surrendered...to Gen. Grant...on April 9. Thus abolition was an active item at the time of Lee's surrender, even if finally approved afterwards.

The North had to start somewhere and sometime. To show the conflict continues one only need review the assassination of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. The Ku Klux Klan was formed secretly in 1866, was disbanded 1869-71, but a 2nd version was organized in 1915.

Is slavery now the result of an aggressive immigration policy? The Feds have now entered the fray with a law suit against Arizona's law, on top of others like the ACLU's. The bus tickets for the millions of illegals already here is another drain on US money printing presses.

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Here is an unual item, the mass death of migrating penguins found of the beaches of Brazill:
http://www.comcast.net/article...razil.Dead.Penguins/

We are also having record heat in New Mexico, with barely a light rain since the first of May.

I heard a strange statement on the radio recently, that it is a good year for death.

A search turned up a Scottish poet with a poem with that name, a poem memorializing seven dead Scots.

Has anyone else heard this phrase in the media?

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Here is an unual item, the mass death of migrating penguins found of the beaches of Brazill:
http://www.comcast.net/article...razil.Dead.Penguins/

We are also having record heat in New Mexico, with barely a light rain since the first of May.

I heard a strange statement on the radio recently, that it is a good year for death.

A search turned up a Scottish poet with a poem with that name, a poem memorializing seven dead Scots.

Has anyone else heard this phrase in the media?

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Donald,

Hmm, could this be called a 'death synchronicity'? Seems to me we referenced this before with the famous death synchronicities of two presidents who died on the same day which happened to be the 50th anniversary of their signing of the Declaration of Independence.

Do you suppose these things are random chance or a reminder of our connectedness with one another, and the ever-presence of a Creator of EVERYTHING?

Eerie, especially considering those famous sayings that "Death most resembles a prophet who is without honor in his own land or a poet who is a stranger among his people".

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In asking around I find that the referece is to the restoration of federal inheritance taxes next year. They were eliminated by President Bush, but only for a certain period as he struggled after 9/11.

Obama, of course, wants to put burdens on the rich. Thus restoration of the tax seems inevitable. The recently passed and signed banking act is part of this, as is the just passed continuance of workman's comp funds.

It is yet to be seen how all this burden shifting will worsen the availabilitiy of investment capital, and hence America's standard of living.

Frequently recurring in my thinking is the question how the economy downturn in America is affecting the Chinese. The problems the world is having with North Korea must also be giving the Chinese ulcers. The North Koreans seem to regard themselves as a free spirit, free to do whatever they want to torment the world. The Iranians seem almost decent by comparison.

On the other hand, Iran continues to have earthquakes to remind them of who is ultimately in charge of the world. The most recent was a 5.8M on the coast just NW of the Straits of Hormuz.

Now that the wellhead is capped almost completely, we get to see who will hit it first, a hurricane or a North Korean sub. The formation of a group of oil companies to help BP at least someone can get together for oil health.

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There is vehement posturing by North Korea in regard to recent international moves against it:
http://www.comcast.net/article...s/20100723/AS.ASEAN/

North Korea promises a "physical response" to the joint U.S.-South Korea naval maneuvers this weekend. Hillary says the maneuvers will go on.

Stay tuned,
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There is also something physical going on in the western Pacific: 7M earthquakes

7.4 2010/07/23 23:15:09 6.749 123.268 616.7 MORO GULF, MINDANAO, PHILIPPINES
7.6 2010/07/23 22:51:12 6.494 123.533 576.3 MORO GULF, MINDANAO, PHILIPPINES
7.3 2010/07/23 22:08:11 6.708 123.479 604.5 MORO GULF, MINDANAO, PHILIPPINES
7.3 2010/07/18 13:35:03 -6.019 150.497 57.6 NEW BRITAIN REGION, PAPUA NEW GUINEA
6.9 2010/07/18 13:04:13 -6.116 150.522 57.5 NEW BRITAIN REGION, PAPUA NEW GUINEA

Another group reports that some years ago an 8.3M quake at 500 km in Brazil was felt in the U.S.
I wonder how the above will affect the thinking of leaders in the naval confrontation off North Korea. (-6 is below the equator, 6 is above.)

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Today I watched about half the movie 2012, a proposed model of the Apocalypse.

Since it was so overblown, I looked up the first hypothesis, that a heavy dose of solar neutrinos heated up the Earth enough to make Yellowstone volcano erupt.

This is from Wikipedia:
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Solar neutrino problem
Only one third to one half of predicted number of electron neutrinos were detected; neutrino oscillation explains the difference but requires neutrinos to have mass.
Neutrinos have mass and so can change type.
The solar neutrino problem was a major discrepancy between measurements of the numbers of neutrinos flowing through the Earth and theoretical models of the solar interior, lasting from the mid-1960s to about 2002. Introduction
The Sun is a natural nuclear fusion reactor, powered by a proton–proton chain reaction which converts four hydrogen nuclei (protons) into helium, neutrinos, positrons and energy. The excess energy is released as gamma rays and as kinetic energy of the particles, including the neutrinos — which travel from the Sun's core to Earth without any appreciable absorption by the Sun's outer layers.


The current solar monitoring satellites are opening the book to how the Sun works, and currently the Sun is much quieter than normal.
Events on the Sun are followed daily at www.spaceweather.com .
The Wikipedia article above does not mention a relationship to geomagnetism and neutrinos, the movie to the contrary.

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Today I watched about half the movie 2012, a proposed model of the Apocalypse.


Donald,

The model for the Apocalypse is John's Revelation.

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Since it was so overblown, I looked up the first hypothesis, that a heavy dose of solar neutrinos heated up the Earth enough to make Yellowstone volcano erupt.

This is from Wikipedia:
(QUOTE]Solar neutrino problem
Only one third to one half of predicted number of electron neutrinos were detected; neutrino oscillation explains the difference but requires neutrinos to have mass.
Neutrinos have mass and so can change type.
The solar neutrino problem was a major discrepancy between measurements of the numbers of neutrinos flowing through the Earth and theoretical models of the solar interior, lasting from the mid-1960s to about 2002. Introduction
The Sun is a natural nuclear fusion reactor, powered by a proton–proton chain reaction which converts four hydrogen nuclei (protons) into helium, neutrinos, positrons and energy. The excess energy is released as gamma rays and as kinetic energy of the particles, including the neutrinos — which travel from the Sun's core to Earth without any appreciable absorption by the Sun's outer layers.(/QUOTE]


When you post things about the law of physics, and the relationship of neutrinos to geomagnetism, Confused   :confused: all I can say is "That is not my cup of tea." Besides that, my doctor said I shouldn't drink tea because it is a blood thinner; and besides that, I am taking enough blood thinners as it is. In fact, had to go the lab on Friday for more blood tests because one of the platelet counts was too low.

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The current solar monitoring satellites are opening the book to how the Sun works, and currently the Sun is much quieter than normal. Events on the Sun are followed daily at www.spaceweather.com .
The Wikipedia article above does not mention a relationship to geomagnetism and neutrinos, the movie to the contrary.


Interesting link to events on the sun. Full moon tonight? Oooo, no wonder things are getting bizarre, including this Road. Wink   ;) My computer is acting bizarre, too. And so is the world!

Okay, now if that sounds a bit off topic Topic--Off   :topicoff: or bizarre, maybe it's time to post another poem ~~ like I did the other day on the 'White Horses' topic. Wink   ;)

The laws of nature stay the same
But only God knows where to aim.
When physicists speak I draw a blank,
When God speaks, I'm in his rank.

So we must try to find what's right
Or no one will ever see the Light!


Of course, you do know that I write poetry in my spare time. That's the understatement of the year because I never have any spare time! But I know that you do the same with your your spare time at writing, at least with your 'Coyote' books.

As a matter of fact, when I first wrote "Clothed With The Sun", I ended each chapter with a poem; but only one-third of the book was actually published, so few of my poems were published. But then again, you do know that the Epilogue ends with a poem:

I'm glad I held my candle high,
And never left my lamp run dry.
The Bridegroom came and closed the door,
I'll live with Him forevermore!


And that is the best poem of all ~~ because there is more TRUTH in it than you can even imagine!

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So when will you publish the complete book? The poems are both precious and energizing to the text.

I went through men's quartet hymn book in the Barbershop style last week, and I am adding the hymns of special interest here.

I Love to Sing About My Savior

Our Father in Heaven (different tune)

Oh, that Men Would Praise the Lord

The Church Marches On

Jesus is a Rock (Spiritual)

In the Garden with Jesus

Jesus is Coming Again

Into the Woods

Rock of Ages

Rise up, O Men of God!

Come unto Me

The Savior Comes

Wonderful Words of Life

Blessed be the Name

I Love to Tell the Story

The book is Men's Gospel Quartets...New and Old, compiled and edited by John M. Rasley, published by Lorenz Publishing Co. in 1957.

Such hymns to my mind when taken to heart keep the believer off the Road to Perdition.

Let me know if you want more info.

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Donald,

When I logged on this morning and re-read my last post, realized that there was a misstatement. Too late to edit, but I said "I ended each chapter with a poem". Should have said "I started each chapter with a poem." Sometimes I used a Bible verse as the ending or beginning of a chapter.

But it has been so long since I wrote the book (over 40 years ago) that it is impossible to recall everything. I am not even sure where the I 'hid' the original manuscript; probably in the basement somewhere in a box. I remember coming across it in recent years (over 10 yrs. ago); but it is too difficult for me to go up and down steps to search for something. Health reasons , of course.

Plan on looking for the ms. again one of these days for varying reasons.

Some of those songs you listed are my favorites, too, and have played many of them either on the piano or organ. Oh, btw, Revelation states that in the New World, we will all be singing a 'new song', remember?

Revelation 5:9, 14:3, 15:3.

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I suspect there is a straight and narrow way for music too, since music is so much a part of us.
We didn't watch American Idol this year, but one gets to be on top by making the music one's own, which means changing it. "When I was growing up", the idea was to learn a song the way it was and pass it on as a hymn to those around us. (Unless it was On Top of Old Smokey or 100 Bottles of Beer On the Wall) I would think in Heaven that the grouping thing would be more prominent.

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I don't know how much big quakes need to qualify for the Revelation 16:18 quake,
but the recent record shows lots of Pacific Rim activity:
S 18MidPAMaxPA           1E0 0 0E0 1e1 2 
                7.3M 07/18 13:35  57.6   NEW BRITAIN REGION, PAPUA NEW GUINEA 
                6.9M 07/18 13:04  57.5   NEW BRITAIN REGION, PAPUA NEW GUINEA 
                6.7M 07/18 05:56  10.0   FOX ISLANDS, ALEUTIAN ISLANDS, ALASKA
M 19                    e1e0e0 1e1e2 1 2 
T 20                     2 1e2 1e2e1E2e2 
                6.3M 07/20 19:18  35.9   NEW BRITAIN REGION, PAPUA NEW GUINEA 
W 21                     2 2 0E1 1 2e2 1
                6.1M 07/21 09:16 102.0   NORTH OF HALMAHERA, INDONESIA
T 22SL                   1E1 1 1 2 1e2 2   
                6.2M 07/22 05:04  35.2   VANUATU
F 23                     2 2 2 1e2 2e2E3 
                7.4M 07/23 23:15  616.7  MORO GULF, MINDANAO, PHILIPPINES 
                7.6M 07/23 22:51  576.3  MORO GULF, MINDANAO, PHILIPPINES 
                7.3M 07/23 22:08  604.5  MORO GULF, MINDANAO, PHILIPPINES
S 24                    e2E1e1e0 1e1e2e2
                6.5M 07/24 05:35  555.3  MORO GULF, MINDANAO, PHILIPPINES
S 25                     3E1e1 1e2 1e1 2
                6.0M 07/25 03:39  41.2   TONGA
M 26FM                   2 2 1 1 1e2 1e3
T 27                     3 3 4e4 3 3 4 3
W 28A                    4 3 3e3e3e2e3e3
T 29EqSN                 2 3E2 2 2 1                 
                6.6M 07/29 07:31 606.5   MORO GULF, MINDANAO, PHILIPPINES 

Notations as per DIGEST key. The strings of 8 numbers are geomagnetic values. The letters
by the date are lunar milestones, e.g., A is apogee, FM full moon, EqSN Moon going north
across the Equator.

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I suspect there is a straight and narrow way for music too, since music is so much a part of us.
We didn't watch American Idol this year, but one gets to be on top by making the music one's own, which means changing it. "When I was growing up", the idea was to learn a song the way it was and pass it on as a hymn to those around us. (Unless it was On Top of Old Smokey or 100 Bottles of Beer On the Wall) I would think in Heaven that the grouping thing would be more prominent.

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Donald,

Unlike Christian music, it seems that music changes with each generation. Of course, most Christian churches use a hymnal with traditional favorites from years past; so in that respect, the music doesn't change much. There is no question but that the younger generation prefers guitars and drums to the pipe organ and choir. Many churches (including ELCA) have solved that problem by providing more than one traditional service. They have several services on Sunday morning, which include the traditional worship service with traditional music; and a second service which caters more to the younger generation with guitars, drums and non-traditional music. The sermons, however, are usually the same in each service.

We usually go to the traditional service because it is the first service, and we prefer that timeframe. However, I enjoy the other celebration services, too, with its drums and more lively music. In fact, the son of my niece plays the drums, and really seems to enjoy it. But, why wouldn't I enjoy a more non-traditional service? After all, I am a non-traditionalist in many other ways, right? Wink   ;)

I think the goal of churches should be to rekindle the love for Jesus through the great poetry of 'old-time religion' while, at the same time, opening up a 'new world' of new music and new lyrics ~~ with some of my poetry. Thumbs Up-Wink   :tuw:

With secular music, some of the changes have been so radical that perhaps I can say it defines the generation. Unfortunately, so much of the rap music these days has such vulgar lyrics, with such explicit undertones of misogyny and violence that it is abhorrent to anyone with an ounce of decency in them!! And from what I understand, the major music companies refuse to ban it, even though there have been marches against it!

But this is quite conducive of the times we live in, which is THE ROAD TO PERDITION!

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A major answer is what the music makes you do. Even with music it is still "the Way is narrow."

Our choir leader recently postponed the choir's singing "We're Marching to Zion" after I said something about white horses. We wound up singing it on July 4th, with me singing and all singing the original words. The church received it enthusiastically, and had 350 attend the picnic afterwards. Since I sang in all three services, I can also relay that Traditional service was double the total of the two contemporary services.

Later the assistant pastor came up with a quote from John Wesley forbidding "solitary religion".

He had also done a sermon on singing the week before, and didn't mention John Wesley's admonition on singing, found in the preface of each UMC hymnal. My wife likes to remind me to stick with one church and encourages my singing in choir.

I note Ellen DeGeneris and the other lady will not be in the panel for American idol next year, and Simon mentioned earlier he was out. TV audience numbers are down, although church membership cycles too.

The foot is much more useable, but still looks a mess.

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Here is the "music of the spheres" in Iran, per www.IsraelNationalNews.com :

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EARTHQUAKES INJURE HUNDREDS IN IRAN; NUCLEAR SITES NOT DAMAGED
by Tzvi Ben Gedalyahu

Two powerful earthquakes devastated northern and southern areas of Iran late Friday night and Saturday, but the stricken areas did not include the Islamic Republic’s nuclear sites.
At least one person was killed, and 300 others were injured. The first earthquake, measuring 5.7 on the Richter scale, struck shortly before midnight Friday and was followed by 11 aftershocks. An estimated one-third of the buildings in four villages were demolished.
A second quake in the north, measuring 5.8, struck approximately 600 miles south of Tehran damaging hundreds of homes...no aftershocks...


God is capable of filling in the gaps...
Or maybe this is just an example of a house built on shifting sand...

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Here is an event already occurring today that affects electric grids:

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This (solar flare/CME) has both government officials and satellite manufacturers worrying.

NASA scientists warned recently that high-energy electric pulses from the sun could cripple our electrical grid for years, causing billions in damages. In fact, the House is so concerned that the Energy and Commerce committee voted unanimously to approve a bill allocating $100 million to protect the energy grid from this rare but potentially devastating occurrence.

The sun's activity usually ebbs and flows on a fairly predictable cycle. Typically, a cycle lasts about 11 years, taking roughly 5.5 years to move from a solar minimum, a period of time when there are few sunspots, to peak at the solar maximum, during which sunspot activity is amplified.

The last solar maximum occurred in 2001. The latest minimum was particularly weak and long- lasting.

The most recent solar eruption is one of the first signs that the sun is waking up -- and heading toward another maximum.


http://www.foxnews.com/scitech...-signals-sun-waking/
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Note what the elevated temperatures in Russia are doing, destroying small towns and sending smoke down into the Moscow subway system.

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In preparing for the apple harvest, this year I am enlisting the help of a Muslim Jordanian living here in America, the man of the house for the previously mentioned baby shower.

In Jordan he cared for an apple orchard, long enough to be tired of apples. Smile-Big   :D

The one thing he did make from them was vinegar, and one of his sons gave me a bottle. What he didn't tell me was that it was not diluted. That meant it was 20 times stronger than commercial 5% vinegar. Not knowing that, I first just sniffed, and knew it was strong. Later the father told me that he did dilute it 95 parts water to 5 parts vinegar.

Well, I took a teaspoon and tasted it. I thought the hair would come off my head. Then I remembered that Jesus on the cross was offered vinegar. The NIV Bible has the story in all the Gospels, but it is described as "wine vinegar" in a sponge from a jar. According to Matthew, Mark and John, this vinegar was the last event on the cross, and it was given to Jesus after his quoting Scripture, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?" A sponge full of full strength vinegar taken in quantity might have killed him.

That has always been peculiar, served on a sponge, until this episode with apple vinegar in my life.

Note also that the vinegar in this story was served in lieu of the requested water.

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Some of those songs you listed are my favorites, too, and have played many of them either on the piano or organ. Oh, btw, Revelation states that in the New World, we will all be singing a 'new song', remember?

Sela,

Ah, but maybe the "new song" will be something really new, something totally unexpected--to you and Donald anyway. Maybe a pagan song like this one?

We are the rising of the moon, we are the shifting of the ground
We are the seed that takes root when we bring the fortress down.
We are the tongue that speaks the truth, we are the dragon on the wind
We are the courage to step forth – we are the change that now begins.


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The illusion of freedom will continue as long as it's profitable to continue the illusion. At the point where the illusion becomes too expensive to maintain, they will just take down the scenery, they will pull back the curtains, they will move the tables and chairs out of the way and you will see the brick wall at the back of the theater.”
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Ah, but maybe the "new song" will be something really new, something totally unexpected--to you and Donald anyway. Maybe a pagan song like this one?

We are the rising of the moon, we are the shifting of the ground
We are the seed that takes root when we bring the fortress down.
We are the tongue that speaks the truth, we are the dragon on the wind
We are the courage to step forth – we are the change that now begins.


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Linda,

Fancy seeing you travelling this Road Wink   ;), but there are some people who say they would rather reign in hell with Lucifer and his angels than serve in heaven with Christ and his angels. Which are you? Cycle of Life   :life:

The poetry may sound enticing, but Wiccan paganism is not exactly something we could call 'brand new'. Seems to me it was the serpent's religion even before Adam and Eve came into the picture, which means it is a human-made religion that is over six thousand years old. In fact, searched the Internet and found out that Wicca dates back to over 8000 years in India.

As you should know by now from our postings over the years, I have never maintained that Adam and Eve were the first human male and female on earth, only that they were the first to sin; because prior to that time there was no concept of sin. The Bible is not a 'human-made' religion, but was given under direct inspiration to the prophets and apostles of the Old and New Testament.

My commentary, "The Final Unveiling," gives you an accurate explanation of what "singing a new song" means in terms of the upcoming "New World"; and it is a theology that is 'brand new'; which is the main reason the patriarchal church finds it too difficult to accept. They fear they would lose their place of power in this world to women if my books and other writings were accepted.

There are actually three places in the Book of Revelation where everyone is 'singing a new song', namely:

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(1) "And they sung a new song, saying, You are worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for you were slain, and have redeemed us to God by your blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation." Revelation 5:9, AKJV.
{quote}"they sung a new song" -- a new revelation of the glory of the Lamb, a new approach to the knowledge of God. (Quoted from "The Final Unveiling," pg. 47, © 1984, by Lois Hoover.)

(2) "And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth." Revelation 14:3.
{quote}'144,000' -- we have already studied the significance of this company in Chapter 7. (These are the people who will be miraculously preserved during the Judgment.) Just before Final Judgment, the Lord steps in to reassure His own that He is already taking the place of government, and that His own are safe in Him. These are the ones who have refused the mark of the beast, and have chosen the spiritual life (obeying the Father's Commandments which includes the Law and the Gospel) and rejected the worldly life. That is what is signified by "Father's name written in their foreheads." See John 17:6. (Quoted from "The Final Unveiling," pg. 130, © 1984, by Lois Hoover.)

(3) "And they sing the song of Moses the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, Great and marvelous are your works, Lord God Almighty; just and true are your ways, you King of saints." Revelation 15:3, AKJV.
{quote}"'the song of Moses'-- See Ex. 15:1-19. 'I will sing unto the Lord, for he hath triumphed gloriously.'
'song of the Lamb' -- See Rev. 1:5,6. To sing the song of Moses and the Lamb is to sing the song of physical deliverance and spiritual redemption. Moses, the leader of the children of Israel in their deliverance out of bondage of Egypt, was a type of Christ, who delivered us from the bondage of sin, death and the devil. Moses and Christ are also linked together in Heb. 3:5,6." (Quoted from "The Final Unveiling," pg.144, © 1984, by Lois Hoover.)


We also know from Scripture that Christ was quite flexible in his teachings, as far as 'deliverance' is concerned. He taught that there are many mansions in his Father's house, and that he would prepare a place for us.

As the countdown on this Road continues, are you prepared?

To understand this in terms of the 'Final Road' means ~~ are you numbered among the 144,000 souls standing with the Lamb on Mount Zion, who are already redeemed by the time they enter this final road? Smile   :)

Sela
 
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Linda

Thanks for the poem, which I gather is an exerpt. It reflects the power and purpose of Nature. How many roots have broken pipes and foundations?

The nuclear bombing of Japan represents the New World Order at its most powerful, meaning one man in political power can make the decision. Now there are many countries with "the bomb", under restraint never to use it.
I think your daughter is well motivated to remind us of what is still possible, and it was well done peacefully. I didn't even hear about it here in Albuquerque.

Perdition is a very real concept in prophecy, Scripture, and actuality. God help us when it comes under the control of the secret societies in our colleges. Obama and his new Supreme Court appointment could actually have been fellow members of one at Harvard. (See News under New World Order.)

Here, shielded by Aantares.com, Sela and I can continue to explore this Road to Perdition as presented in Scripture and interpreted by whomever.
One coming milestone is the midterm elections for Congress, which will show and recovery of the U.S. and World economy, as well as how much
"Change" Obama gets done in his agenda. Moreover, it will show if any political party has a stable answer, as well as what the American electorate thinks of the new taxes charging down the pike.

I also think the problem of illegals will roar again to the fore, as a problem very similar to slavery before the Civil War, with foreign agents
ripping off the needy hungering for freedom, but bound to statelessness, low wages, and the ravages of health needs. This is a nation that freed the slaves. Outsourcing has come back to the U.S.

God provides,
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This was probably the wrong board for my new topic. I should have posted it on the News BB if I was going to post it on Aantares at all. Somehow, "Think Outside the Bomb" seemed more like a topic for the R & S board since it deals with a basic moral issue that is still hotly debated on Democratic Underground and elsewhere--i.e. was it necessary for America to drop The Bomb on Hiroshima and Nagasaki?

I guess I shouldn't expect the kind of activism that involves ritual and magic to get much of a sympathetic response from the few remaining active members on this board. It's possible there was a glimmer of sympathy in Sela's response, but OTOH I could just be imagining things.

I'll try again elsewhere.

--Linda


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The illusion of freedom will continue as long as it's profitable to continue the illusion. At the point where the illusion becomes too expensive to maintain, they will just take down the scenery, they will pull back the curtains, they will move the tables and chairs out of the way and you will see the brick wall at the back of the theater.”
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Linda,

The only 'glimmer of hope' that I see for this world is a change in the 'patriarchal worldview'. This will never happen without a major catastrophe. On the 'White Horses' topic we call this patriarchal system that governs the world 'Great Babylon'. (Hmmm, notice no one has posted there for awhile. If things settle down here in my household, perhaps I will review the thread and post something.)

As everyone should know who has been posting or browsing here on this religious forum for awhile, my 'worldview' is that a major earthquake(s) destroying symbolic 'Great Babylon' would bring changes to this world.

The 'patriarchal worldview' is to start wars, wars and more wars to CONQUER the world; and that the dropping of bombs on countries we do not get along with will somehow solve the world's problem. Yeah, sure.

The last ray of hope would be for WOMEN to somehow topple this kind of thinking; but, as I see it, it won't happen until this world 'as we know it now' is destroyed. That is the last ray of hope.

I think what your daughter is doing is commendable; but as Donald said, there obviously was little if any publicity about it since he didn't even hear about it in Albuquerque. Without some kind of publicity, it is almost impossible to make changes. But it would have to be "unbiased" reporting, which is a rare commodity these days.

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I think what your daughter is doing is commendable; but as Donald said, there obviously was little if any publicity about it since he didn't even hear about it in Albuquerque.

Sela,

Yeah, I was surprised and disappointed to hear that. I guess just because this event was a big deal to my daughter and she made a special trip for it, that it was a big deal, period. But if they didn't even hear about it in Albuquerque I guess it wasn't.

I thought this was going to be another high-profile demonstration, like the RNC 2008 convention where my daughter's fiance was tasered and almost killed, and both of them were arrested. Her case was recently settled, BTW. I was going to post the links to the two "settlement" posts (right before the TOTB posts) on the News BB, and may still do that when I have more time. His case is scheduled either for settlement or trial next month. It's a more complicated and expensive one since it involves police brutality--yet another trademark of patriarchy.

I'll also try to respond to your earlier post in more depth, but it won't be today.

--Linda


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The illusion of freedom will continue as long as it's profitable to continue the illusion. At the point where the illusion becomes too expensive to maintain, they will just take down the scenery, they will pull back the curtains, they will move the tables and chairs out of the way and you will see the brick wall at the back of the theater.”
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