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Upheavals! Upheavals! Earthquakes! Floods! Tornadoes! Unprecedented blizzards and weather catastrophes! Overthrow of dictators! There will be signs in the heavens and signs on earth! This is the Apocalypse!
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You noticed.  I was wondering how long it would take you to figure it out. Kind of unmistakable when it really happens, isn't it? --Linda ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The illusion of freedom will continue as long as it's profitable to continue the illusion. At the point where the illusion becomes too expensive to maintain, they will just take down the scenery, they will pull back the curtains, they will move the tables and chairs out of the way and you will see the brick wall at the back of the theater.” ― Frank Zappa | |||
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Sela, Linda et al, Do consider Matt 24:21-22
Things may be pretty bad, but not to the extent in my view of the extinction of humanity. There is also the rising of the anti-christ. Who do you suppose that might be? Regards, ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Glenn | |||
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Glenn, You should know by now that I am not a biblical literalist, and certainly NOT when it comes to the Christian scriptures. I'm no more a Christian now than I ever was. But I still believe in the archetype of the Apocalypse. Or the coming of the Messianic Age. Or the dawning of the Age of Aquarius! Please note that the "revolutionary month" began shortly after the sun entered Aquarius, and contined nonstop through that phase of the Zodiac. Naturally I say this with totally shameless, gloating self-satisfaction. I offered a fellow Aquarius whose birthday is some days before mine "a revolution for your birthday," but he answered that he wasn't sure he wanted one. He equates "revolution" with blood and gore and anarchy, and there is certainly enough historical precedent for THAT. Without fully realizing it at the time, I was looking for something that broke the old historical paradigms, something that gave meaning to the term NEW Age. Not just more of the Same Old Thing. But the Egyptian revolution was surprisingly peaceful on the whole. What casualties there were can be attibuted to the fact that Mubarak is somewhat less of a full-blown homicidal maniac than Gaddafi, even though he's still a thug. If you absolutely HAVE to have a "personal Antichrist" as opposed to an "antichrist type," get a load of Gaddafi posturing as "the king of kings of Africa" sometime. I'll try to track down a link to the picture so you can see for yourself. For myself, I don't require a personal Antichrist any more than I need a personal Messiah. The archetype will do just fine. --Linda ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The illusion of freedom will continue as long as it's profitable to continue the illusion. At the point where the illusion becomes too expensive to maintain, they will just take down the scenery, they will pull back the curtains, they will move the tables and chairs out of the way and you will see the brick wall at the back of the theater.” ― Frank Zappa | |||
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Huh? Are you serious, Linda? I have been writing about "The Apocalypse" for years and have three books to prove it. From the time I started posting on these forums, the Apocalypse was my favorite subject; but no one else seemed to put much stock into it. Now that we are nearing the time of the END of the Apocalypse, people are standing up and taking notice. What took you so long?  I will say that most Christians are still waiting for the 'Rapture'; so who knows how long it will take them to stand up and take notice. The truth of the matter is that my commentary, "The Final Unveiling", shows how things keep getting worse before they get better as we near the 'end of all things'. In fact, the purpose of my starting this topic was to post from my commentary about WHY we are at the 'finality' of the prophecies in the final book of the Bible. Unfortunately, time is not always on my side as I have said frequently; but hopefully, I can 'begin the action' tomorrow. Sela | |||
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Glenn, As I have said in previous postings, most of the prophecies in the Olivet Discourse have been fulfilled. In your eyes, what has not?
That answer will be revealed soon here in this topic. Sela | |||
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All, What I am presenting here already has been written in a newsletter finished yesterday which is in the process of being forwarded to various churches; so the 'bold yet simple step' I am taking is merely to 'copy and paste'.
The next two chapters of Revelation cover 'The Letters to the Seven Churches' which I will post tomorrow. We are at the time of the 'end of the world as we know it now'! Sela | |||
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All, Chapters 2 and 3 in the Book of Revelation cover the seven letters John wrote to seven churches located in a major crossroads area from where he was penning his words. They give us a picture of the spiritual condition of the churches in the Roman province of Asia; and these cities encircle the Isle of Patmos where John was imprisoned.
This website will give you a synopsis of the purpose of the letters. Sela | |||
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I'll just say, quietly, that this is NOT the Apocalypse. You are wrong once again. You've been wrong for decades each time you picked a date for the Apocalypse. The Apocalypse will not occur this week, this month, this year. It will never occur. It is a concept of fiction, propagated by those who are delusional, propagandized from a book of fables, myths, and lies written by and for primitive people with primitive ideas. The earth "as we know it" shall be here long after all of us are dead, assuming we humans don't destroy ourselves in a nuclear war of some sort. Yes, there will be floods and earthquakes and tsunamis and tornadoes and hurricanes and all sorts of bad weather. There always has been such bad weather at times, and climate change should be making the weather even worse overall. But the end of life "as we know it"? Nope. Not now. Not ever. Carry on. Jeff | |||
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That is your opinion, as usual; and you are wrong, wrong, wrong! But what can one expect from an atheist? LOL
Huh? Are you sure you know what you're talking about?! The dates Donald and I have been discussing are about the 'big earthquake', NOT the start of the Apocalypse. That is an entirely different matter. The Apocalypse is a 22-chapter book in the Bible, which has many events, most of which have been fulfilled in this generation.
Actually, YOU are the primitive person! LOL
Oh, really? You DO believe in the Apocalypse then, don't you? LOL
Oh, really? At THIS present-day intensity? History shows otherwise, and has been a major sign of the 'end of the ages', especially in the number of major earthquakes per year that Donald has been reporting. This increase also has been discussed on these religious forums. Where have you been?
See how you twist things? The end of 'life' has NEVER been suggested! It has been the 'end of the ages', or the 'end of the world as we know it now', or the 'end of history as we know it now', NEVER the end of LIFE!! But as I have said that many times on this forum, you twist other people's posts to meet your own agenda. Typical of atheists. Sela | |||
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So your notion is that the end of the world as we know it does not mean the end of life as we know it? How interesting. Describe, please, what life is like after the end of the world. No change at all? Life as we know it (whatever the heck THAT means) goes on without the world? What do we breathe? What do we stand on? How do we eat? Or does "the end of the world as we know it" mean something silly like no Internet? Please describe your idea. Anyway, if you'll give a specific date by which we'll have the "end of the world as we know it" then I'll be better able to taunt you when it passes and nothing has changed here. And please don't pretend you haven't predicted the Apocalypse many times before and been proven wrong. We've been reading your predictions for years. You haven't been right yet. I, on the other hand, have been INFALLIBLE in predicting nothing significant will happen. Yes, I'm an atheist. It's a pretty sensible attitude to have in my opinion. Jeff | |||
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Is 'the end of the world as we know it now' or 'the time of the end' really that difficult to figure out? Sheesh. Why do you even bother seeking answers to spiritual questions, unless the 'fear of God' has moved into your conscience.  Those words simply mean what they say; although admittedly, they do conjure up images of a global cataclysm. And I think for most people, including Christians, the literal understanding is just that. But anyone who has studied the issue knows apocalypticism also includes eschatology which, in Christianity, is that branch of theology concerned with the Second Coming of Christ and Last Judgment. If there is a 'global cataclysm', who would be left on this earth to judge? And 'judgment' is the main thesis of the entire Bible, from the First Sin to the Last Judgment. And, as I have been saying, this is exactly the period of time we are in!
Obviously your purpose here is just to LIE! But then atheist's have no conscience since it is their way of life. Here is a judgment passage that makes God's justice very clear: Revelation 22:14-15 (New King James Version)
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Actually the end of life as we know it is the good part but it is related to bad things that have happened in the past without the good part. Here's the normal bad part: http://www.cdapress.com/column...3f-2f1c67339975.html
Chandler's wobble comes with Magnetic field changes and if they change in a certain precise way you get in my view a change from the Minkowski metric to a conformal conespace metric. That would be the return to Eden/rapture-like thing. | |||
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Sela, I really wish you'd stop personal attacks and try to explain your position. I resent being told that I'm a liar constantly in this topic or that my purpose being here is to lie. What am I lying about? You're making some distinction about the end of the world as we know it and the end of life as we know it, saying you are talking about the former and I am "lying" about the latter. I've asked for an explanation of how you can have the end of the world and not the end of life, and you simply ignore the question and call me names. There is nothing about atheism that implies a lack of conscience or morality. I wonder at the ego and self-righteousness you constantly present here, and wonder if Jesus would approve. Jeff | |||
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Bluelamp, the end of life "is the good part"? So you agree that the Apocalypse involves not just the end of the world but also the end of life? How is the end of life on earth EVER going to be something good? Please explain. You must realize how odd this view seems to those of us who enjoy life. I assume that's about everyone... Jeff | |||
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Um there's a difference between "end of life as we know it" and "end of life". "End of life as we know it" includes getting better (aka the return to Eden). I suppose I should add that Eden is just earth with a different gravity, maybe that's where the confusion came from. The bad stuff as you have pointed out yourself is just part of life that we already know about (little and big ice ages, volcanoes, earthquakes, tsunamis, even comets for the dinosaurs, etc.) I'm not even expecting anything as bad as a dinosaur-like event though it could get black death bad (another known thing). | |||
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quote: And please don't pretend you haven't predicted the Apocalypse many times before and been proven wrong. We've been reading your predictions for years. You haven't been right yet. /unquote Huh? Why it is you take no account of the various predictions posted over the years that came true (ask Donald ~~ or do I need to take the time to post them, such as the 2004 Christmas earthquake) makes no sense to me other than it is your way of ridiculing anyone who has been called by God. Just like the prophets of old, prophetic inspiration has been given to 'those called' over the years to bring knowledge of the gospel 'as a testimony to all the nations, and then the end will come'. All of my books and writings speak of this calling. The work of prophet/esses is to speak and/or write of things they were divinely inspired to announce. The view that these men/women are supposed to be primarily predicting dates for future events is at best an assumption, at worst a superficial view. Nevertheless, they are properly prophetic in tone and purpose with messages that characterizes both righteous and unrighteous acts ~~ and defined as pleasing in the sight of the Lord or displeasing. For the record, the word "prophet" comes from the Hebrew word "navi" meaning "to call" or "to announce". "Prophet" in its Greek definition means "to speak before". They were spokespersons for God with inspired messages and truths that are constant from generation to generation, with relevance to the law as well as the gospel. Now you know my purpose! If you still don't get it, please review my initial post on this topic! Also review my words where it has been stated repeatedly that the patriarchal church needs to understand eschatology according to the way it is written in God's Word, and not according to their own way! But, of course, that is neither here nor there for the unbeliever; and is a futile debate for those 'in the know', such as bluelamp. Sela | |||
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Sela, you said,
A situation where the survival of the human race itself was in question. In Matt 24:21-22 Jesus himself says that the tribulation will be of sufficient magnitude that "no flesh will survive," but for the sake of the elect, the days will be shortened. When in your view has this already happened in human history? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Glenn | |||
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Sela Finally came on board, and the first order of business is that this is your subject. Even the signs and timing of the Zodiac have changed. I went from Taurus to Aries. All I can witness to is the awful times I went through in January and February. I'm glad to report from my rounds that I am much improved, but my sick seniors are more mobile and vocal, and I've even conversed with two residents who were speaking "in tongues". No, we didn't understand each other, but we held hands to comfort each other. I also watched a man trying to hump the arm of his dining chair, continuing to watch as he fell over on his back slowly. Another man who is quiet and rarely smiles was smiling broadly. Also an oriental woman did the same. Is it Spring? I have even found three small types of flowers blooming. Add the tree pollen season, and it really gets crazy. The earthquakes remain in the 5 magnitude range as the lunar apogee comes tomorrow. New Mexico has become a prairie fire trap, with high winds. March came in like a lamb, thus portens ending like a Lion. Is this the Apocalypse? My thinking is to agree with Glenn. Surely, however, we can find sufficient ruling crowns to make a dragon or beast, and the fighting in Libya is indeed beastly, since noone seems to have sufficient strength to win. Donald | |||
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I predict that in a few billion years the sun will run low on hydrogen, and expand into a red giant. If Earth is still around at that time... Before that, I've heard that Andromeda will collide with our galaxy (several million years hence), which could potentially disrupt a planet's orbit, or dislodge the sun from its orbit. There's also the motion of our solar system up and down relative to the plane of the Milky Way. I've forgotten what the period of that motion is, but vaguely recall that it can put the planet in a less desirable part of space every now and then. If those aren't enough, there's the heat death of the universe to look forward to! (trillions of years?) Henry | |||
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Glenn, Biblos usually provides a good challenge for answers; but in many of the prophecies of Matthew 24, there is a double reference — first to the destruction of the temple and overthrow of the Jewish state in the first century, and secondly, to the end of the ages. The "no flesh shall be saved" applies to the covenant people, and the "elect" applies to those whom God had chosen to be his people. This is from my own personal commentary; but cannot comment much more until later because my husband is off from work today and we are making plans to leave the house. Sela | |||
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Sela, you said,
Well, there is the ongoing debate on prophetic works be them the Olivet Discourse or books such as Revelation and Daniel. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Revelation I think it is being quite brazen to just arbitrarily throw in some explanation or other. To mix preterit (all refers to the 1st century) and futurist interpretations at will. I realize that some people can throw the whole thing out and have done with it. I try and look for Wisdom in what I read especially stuff that has been around and respected for many centuries. In short, a great tribulation such as has never been seen before could be right around the corner. Consider, how we are extincting various species. http://dodosgone.blogspot.com/ Suppose we could be next? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Glenn | |||
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All I am posting updates on the Christchurch quakes over on the Road to Perdition. There is some interesting background there too. Donald | |||
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Can anyone believe that there is still a State with legitimate prostitution/brothels? http://www.comcast.net/article...NEVADA-PROSTITUTION/ The senior U.S. Senator from Nevada is Harry Reid, the majority leader. So, who doesn't believe America is still sin city, along with New Zealand? Donald | |||
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so how important is prostitution as an index for Apocalypse? This comes from The New International Dictionary of the Bible, which contrasts with no presence of "prostitution" in three of my concordances (although I didn't look for related words):
That sounds like a hit to me. Donald | |||
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