Well, Hurricane Omar passed over the region going north.
The Virgin Island swarm paused, with no quakes on 10/16, then resumed.
The total of 3M quakes is nearing ninety (90), and is spreading around the Puerto Rico Trench, a group of 3 NNW of San Juan, PR.
http://earthquake.usgs.gov/eqcenter/recenteqsww/Maps/10/295_20.php

The faults in the region can be seen here:
http://neic.usgs.gov/neis/recent/prp0829209_l.html
The quake mentioned is the latest in the swarm.

Donald

Donald,

I don't know exactly where you were planning on taking this topic, but as I said on the 8/8/08 thread, "white horses" represent the final victory of the Word of God.

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And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. Rev. 19:14.

As my commentary on John's Revelation states: "When the Son of man appears, he shall appear in the Word as the visible expression of the invisible God. The Lord is present in His Word, for all things of the Word are from Him and relate to Him." (pg. 192, "The Final Unveiling".)

As far as the 'armies of white horses' are concerned, this is cross-referenced with 2 Thes. 1:10 that "Christ shall be glorified in his saints, and the fight is not with carnal weapons but with the Word proceeding out of his mouth, the sword of the Spirit, which is the Word of God."

We have discussed this before in prior postings that the 'saints will judge the world'.

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"Do you not know that the saints will judge the world? And if the world will be judged by you, are you unworthy to judge the smallest matters?" 1 Cor. 6:2.

And so here we are ~~ doing the judging!

Well, anyway, thought I would reopen this discussion and put it on the table for dialogue since the house is quiet for a few minutes.

Sela

Sela

Well, we can conclude that those saints are still with us, and presumably most are doing the right thing as they are able.

President Bush and his administration took action on the economy as soon as it was apparent something needed to be done. His television appearance at the Republican convention actually mocked him because of the omission of the audience response. Yet, if I remember right, Air Force One is white.

Who is the presidential candidate God would want to lead America? Does white hair count? Or expensive black outfits? An Elvis lookalike on America has Talent looked very good in white, and sang well.

This morning while walking the dogs I saw a neighbor I know. He wore blue pajamas and housecoat. He brought me up on his family, with both dogs and his wife dying in the past year. It turns out he is a Holocaust survivor and spends his time as a docent at the local Holocaust museum. We have been friends for years, and I never took the time to get all this. Blue and White are of course the colors of the Israeli flag. The dogs liked him.

Today there was ice in our bird bath, but not on the windshields. Interesting reversal.

This week I added the twelfth senior home to my weekly list, and I played pieces from the Sound of Music for my memory game. It is still one of the most popular programs I use, and so inspiring. I knew I was in the right place for my last stop, as they were building an alcove outside the patio door. Even then there was confusion as to where the playing would be. Fun was had by all, especially a lady who was educated at a Lutheran school.

Those white horses are gathering. I'm beginning to think we need to do something with 9/9/09, so we can look forward and not back. The turning point was when the DOW hit 8880 and 8844, and it is still swinging through those numbers.

Donald

BTW
The swarm of aftershocks in the Virgin Islands and around Puerto Rico continues, and the map looks like a cookie jar on its side, the cap near the site of the 6.lM, the body of the jar around Puerto Rico, as defined by the many aftershocks.

Did you know that Puerto Rico is only 80 miles from east to west? It is also surrounded by the faults related to the Puerto Rico Trench.

The Moon crosses the Equator going south tomorrow, and it is at its farthest point (the apogee) on 2 November, All Souls Day.

Spooky, eh what?
Donald

All,

From what I've heard and read about Jesus, I doubt very much if He would dip anything to wear in blood ! That dipping sure doesn't sound like Him ! And from what I understand about history - Bibles included - 40 % is on the not true side.

William

We remember Will Rogers, who said something like, "All I know is what I read in the newspapers." That was back in the 1920's and 1930's.

There is another saying too, "Dont's believe anything you hear, and only half of what you see."

The problem with the Book of Revelation, of course, is that it was written by a believer named John while he was confined on the Island of Patmos. When released he went back to his charge of caring for Jesus' mother Mary, and in so doing was able to die normally. The point of this comment on the writing is that the author was indeed confined, didn't get much updating from the Church, and what he wrote related to what he had experienced with who knows how much reflection. It all was debated, delayed from incorporation,until the Church finally made a decision on its content, which spiritually was accepted even if they could not verify the content.

The blood on the garments is consistent with what the Apostles saw after the Resurrection when Jesus walked through the wall and challenged Thomas to believe, showing him his wounds. It may be that Jesus acquired the robe after the Resurrection, so he didn't have to bleed any further. It is not mentioned further through the Ascension. (All this is from the top of my head.)
Without Oxyclean and the ladies, it probably got wet and faded, but Jesus would have kept it safe from sniffing, hungry stray dogs, who probably got their fill from dying lepers.

Imagination is the name of the game in Revelation, and that includes white horses, which existed both then and now.

On the other hand, all we have to do is watch the media to see if there is a real possibility of our being like the Babylon of Revelation. By Election Day, I doubt anyone will have a sterling reputation, including the Supreme Court.

Donald

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Originally posted by William:
All,

From what I've heard and read about Jesus, I doubt very much if He would dip anything to wear in blood ! That dipping sure doesn't sound like Him ! And from what I understand about history - Bibles included - 40 % is on the not true side.

William,

Actually, the visions in the Book of Revelation have to be interpreted to be understood, which I have been doing for many years, and have written a commentary on it called "The Final Unveiling", as has been said many times on these forums.

Donald used the Amplified Bible in his original post on this topic which changed the original Scriptures from "clothed with a vesture dipped in blood" to "dressed in a robe dyed by dipping in blood".

But, you see, when man wants to 'play God' he changes the Word of God to suit his own fancy, which is what has happened in many of the newer translations. (I am sure Donald doesn't like to hear this but in times past, we have debated the various translations of the Bible, especially on the old Prodigy forums.)

Insofar as the vision in Rev. 19:13 about the white horse and the person sitting on the horse being "clothed with a vesture dipped in blood" (KJV), or as the Amplified Bible says, "(Jesus) is dressed in a robe dyed by dipping in blood", you will note there is quite a difference in the translation of this text. My commentary states that this prophecy is a visual representation of Isa. 63:1-6, with commentary here.

Oh, and insofar as your comment about 40% of the Bible not being true, the truth is that it takes a woman to discover Truth; and with Jesus Christ at the helm, the Truth will soon be discovered!

Sela

Sela

Interesting cross reference, that the blood is from other people.

William provoked this comment, and seniority has its place.

Donald

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Originally posted by EQ:
Sela

Interesting cross reference, that the blood is from other people.

William provoked this comment, and seniority has its place.

Donald

Donald,

That is absolutely correct. The garments are 'red with blood' because the One returning from Edom (byname for Esau, meaning red, ruddy) was in battle with the enemies of righteousness and truth. Figuratively, this depicts the general overthrow of every power that opposes Christ's Kingdom, as stated in my commentary.

Tonight my husband's union is putting on a big dinner for its members. Forgot to ask him if it's a Halloween dinner and should we wear masks? He's sleeping right now (he worked last night) so will have to ask him when he wakes up. The invitation didn't specify, but I think I will suggest to him that we go to the dollar store and get one. I would like to wear a veil as depicted in my avatar, but with a white mask over my eyes. What think?

Sela

Sela

Recently we sent my veterinarian daughter an OWL mask (nose to forehead), which she loves.

I am enjoying my pumpkin and black plaid shirt as I make my music rounds.

Whatever...enjoy!

Donald

Dear Sela -

I believe you spoke two types of Bibles. One the Words of God and the other words of men. How do you know one is the Words of God ? I assume you got that from reading. Did someone tell you those were Words of God ?

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Originally posted by William:
Dear Sela -

I believe you spoke two types of Bibles. One the Words of God and the other words of men. How do you know one is the Words of God ? I assume you got that from reading. Did someone tell you those were Words of God ?

Oh my goodness, William, there are so many different versions and translations of the Bible, many that I wasn't even aware of until today when I decided to check it out on the Internet. (What would we do without the Internet?)

The King James Version is, of course, superior over the others since it is about as close as you can get to the original texts; and it is the version I used in all my studies and research over the years.

As far as the different versions are concerned, I really have no problem with that, now that my work is done. Many of the versions were written according to their purpose and function, such as adapting the texts to a more liberal slant or a more conservative slant. Certainly it is common knowledge that many of the biblical words have changed their meaning over the years; and actually, there are times it doesn't matter what version to use, but then again there are times when it does, especially in the prophetic sense.

But this is another subject that has been debated in the past. And yes, someone did tell me which words are the Words of God and which are the words of men ~~ the Holy Spirit.

The Bible does not actually claim infallibility. Humans wrote it and what human is infallible? Certainly not men except for the Lord Jesus Christ when He was on earth!

Sela

William

Being a United Methodist Charismatic, I follow the simple rule of whether the Love of God appears in the text. Being a thumb picker on biblical text, I am continually amazed that what I find (done in prayer and due deliberation) has some value for the reason I asked.

An example was my wrestling with asking of senior organizations some gas money to keep the car rolling. My thumb pick on it referred me to the text that said, man cannot serve both God and mammon. I gave up my quest, the stress ceased, and I have added another senior center on my accordion ministry.

Here are the verses in the KJV:

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Matthew 6:24
No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.
Luke 16:13
No servant can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

There are some of us who need and deserve remuneration for services is structures.
There are others who have enough to live on and can minister where needed.
God does provide, and there is much freedom in the latter service, which still is monitored from the structure providing for the needy.
Donald

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Originally posted by EQ:
Here are the verses in the KJV:
(QUOTE)Matthew 6:24
No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.
Luke 16:13
No servant can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon. (/QUOTE)

Donald,

Very apropos to today's world. It is unbelievable how the love of money has taken over the entire world! It is not only the single greatest underlying cause for the world's socio-economic problems, but also, according to John's Revelation, society cannot be purified from this kind of enmity against God without the battle between the 'white horses' and the rest of the world!

Sela

Dear Sela & Sir John,

A thought or 2. King James superior of all the rest ? Fact or opinion ? Only one ths time.

William

Even white horses need a bath from time to time (you know, getting off the air pollution and all that), so my current pick is the New King James Version, with its language and poetry updated for modern man.

I still read the NIV, KJV, NEB and paraphrases to enhance my understanding.

Donald

Donald,
I like the NKJV too, and got one for my mom a few years back when she was in the market for a new Bible. I particularly like the fact that, although for the NT it is based on the so-called Textus Receptus, it includes notes for Majority Text (and NA/UBS) variants. Some time after I gifted the above one, I got a mini-sized one for myself at a really mini-sized price on sale, which was my primary use Bible until the new release of the Orthodox Study Bible came out earlier this year which added the OT (LXX) to the previously released NT (NKJV).

I had jury duty last week, and was interested to see that the jury lounge had a Bible (KJV, I believe) on each table. I wondered why they were there...until we were sworn in; then I got it. (After being here for around 19 years, this was the first time I had actually been required to go participate. They didn't pick me for the jury in the end, but it was an interesting 3-ish hours. We even got to see the end of a different case in the courtroom just before our interviews started.)
--
Stephen

All

Here is a real shocker:
http://www.angelfire.com/on/raventyde/gccolour.html

The only horse born white is an albino. Different breeds start at their color, and then turn grey and white as they age.

So....an army of white horses is one with lots of age and experience.

Donald

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Originally posted by William:
Dear Sela & Sir John,

A thought or 2. King James superior of all the rest ? Fact or opinion ? Only one ths time.

William,

The Lord Himself answers that in the
last verses of the last chapter of the last book in the Bible that no one shall add or take away from the words of the prophecy in this book; or God will take away his part out of the book of life, out of the holy city, and everything that is written in this Holy Book.

Sela

Donald and Stephen,

In looking over the posts here about the various versions of the Bible, I will say that I used the KJV in my interpretations, but when the NKJV was given to me as a gift from the members in my Bible class in the early '90's, that became my favorite.

It has a soft cover, which is great; but unfortunately, it doesn't have a commentary section or Concordance that my KJV has; thus, many times I still have to refer to my old hard-cover KJV which was purchased from the church in 1960. Whew, is it shop-worn! In fact, I have been told it is a collector's item because Concordia does not publish this Bible anymore.

Sela

Sela
My grandfather gave me a soft cover, name embossed copy of the Scofield KJV Bible, which has a Concordance that I also use.

A gift Bible of occasional use is the Guideposts Parallel Bible, which has the KJV in adition to the Modern Language Bible, the Living Bible and the Revised Standard Version. I also occasionally look at John Wesley's Commentary on the Bible, as well as the New English Bible. (Then there is the NIV...)

One day to the new leader of the Free World emerges. I decided to play dances this week for my seniors to rejoice that the elections are over, including polkas. What a bunch of negativism, oft repeated!

Donald

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Originally posted by EQ:
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Those white horses are gathering. I'm beginning to think we need to do something with 9/9/09, so we can look forward and not back. The turning point was when the DOW hit 8880 and 8844, and it is still swinging through those numbers.

Donald,

Along with the many socio-political-economical issues facing our democracy, we are also faced with a major issue that was never brought up in any of the two presidential campaigns or debates ~~ and its tragic effects upon the American people. There is enough material on the Internet revealing the catastrophic consequences of this illegal operation.

Why do you suppose this is never covered in MSM? Why, because these narco-dollars are one of the biggest sources of cash flow in the world today, at the very moment when the global financial system is on the verge of total collapse!

All these things were foreseen by John in his visions. As my interpretation of "The Apocalypse" reveals, the symbolism of 'horses' is so complex as to be beyond what could be said in a few words. For example, a black horse symbolizes judgment while a white horse symbolizes victory. Interestingly enough, Revelation uses the figure 'horses' throughout its prophecy and Chapter 9 is a perfect example of this.

So, yes, Donald, we do need to focus on the 9's, but I'll get back to that later.

My interpretation of Chapter 9 describes the horror of the 'horses and horsemen' that are released at the sounding of the sixth trumpet, Revelation 9:16-19. This vast army of horsemen is upon us, more than the world has ever seen assembled at one time... and they are joined with the very demons of hell," as stated in my commentary.

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16 And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand: and I heard the number of them.
17 And thus I saw the horses in the vision, and them that sat on them, having breastplates of fire, and of jacinth, and brimstone: and the heads of the horses were as the heads of lions; and out of their mouths issued fire and smoke and brimstone.
18 By these three was the third part of men killed, by the fire, and by the smoke, and by the brimstone, which issued out of their mouths.
19 For their power is in their mouth, and in their tails: for their tails were like unto serpents, and had heads, and with them they do hurt.

These horselike beings rush madly over the Earth, trampling upon everything with their breastplates of fire and brimstone. Astonishingly, my commentary, "The Final Unveiling", ©1984, was interpreted without any theological training. By relying totally on the gifts of the Spirit as defined in 1 Cor. 12:7-11, I was able to put together the interpretation. Also, interestingly enough, there are nine spiritual gifts:

1 Cor. 12:7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to each one for the profit of all:
12:8 for to one is given the word of wisdom through the Spirit, to another the word of knowledge through the same Spirit,
12:9 to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healings by the same Spirit,
12:10 to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another discerning of spirits, to another different kinds of tongues, to another the interpretation of tongues.
12:11 But one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing to each one individually as He wills.

These gifts might be well defined as 'A temporary, supernatural intervention of natural laws, bestowed by the Holy Spirit where His/Her presence is invited and accommodated.' Individually, each gift is defined as follows:

(1) Word of Wisdom -- A Word refers to "a supernaturally imparted fragment," while wisdom, which generally means prudence, decision making.
(2) Word of Knowledge -- A supernaturally inspired utterance of facts.
(3) Faith -- A supernatural impartation of assurance in God.
(4) Gifts of Healings -- Supernaturally ministering health to the sick.
(5) Working of Miracles -- A supernatural intervention of natural laws. The Greek describes it as "works of power" and implies instantaneous results.
(6) Prophecy -- A supernaturally inspired utterance from God. A genuine prophetic utterance never contradicts, neither is equal to, the written Word of God. To forthtell or foretell. To speak from the mind of God. Prophecies are to be judged (1 Cor. 14:29, 1 Thes. 5:20-21).
(7) Discerning of Spirits -- This is a supernatural ability to discern a person's spiritual character and the source of his actions and messages, such as from the Holy Spirit, demon spirits, the human spirit or from the flesh.
(8) Different Kinds of Tongues -- A supernaturally imparted utterance in an unlearned language which is interpreted as a prophecy to the body for their edification. (This is distinguished from "praying" in tongues, which is intended to edify one's own spirit -- 1 Cor. 14:14.) A message in tongues to the body is always to be interpreted (by another gift), and is limited to three within a gathering (1 Cor. 14:27).
(9) Interpretation of Tongues -- This is the supernatural interpretation of a message in tongues into the understandable language of the hearers. It is not a "translation" but an interpretation.

Thus, here you have an illustration of not only the importance of the number 9, but also the accuracy of my interpretation of prophecy! And all the negative energy used over the years to malign the Spirit doesn't stop me one bit; does it? Even with all the Trojan Horses around, I am still breathing the dust of the earth! How about that?

Whew, I hadn't planned on writing such a long post, but, as we so well know, there is no stopping to the power of the Spirit!

Sela

Sela

Sounds like a start on the Road to 9/9/09.

Donald

Sela

Speaking of breathing dust, we in New Mexico know something of that, and throw in some ashes of the wildfires too. The dust of drought will have you waking up coughing every morning. Go outside to feed the birds and the ash haze hangs over the mountains. Thank God for lemonade.

Donald

Donald,

Just a quick pop-in. Dreary day outside, but there must be something to the nine's we mentioned earlier. TV happened to be tuned to the Ellen DeGeneres Show and she was celebrating her 900th show; so just out of curiosity thought I would check the Internet to see if there was anything about the number 900 worth synchronizing to "White Horses".

Now that doesn't mean I have nothing else to do but today is a 'slump' day from the Decadron withdrawal, so usually rest, or try to get some housework done, or whatever else happens to come up, especially if my husband is home, which he is, but thought I would quickly post something.

And, Donald, you won't believe this! The first recorded battle in the history of the world took place between the Egyptians and the Canaanites at Megiddo, and there were 900 chariots involved. But getting to the point of this post, how astonishing that this is an exact parallel to the visions of John in that the final battle takes place at the very same place ~~ mount of Megiddo!

What do you think this will drum up?

Sela