Sela

For your reference, here is the info on an earthquake as close to 666 as we will get:

5.1M 2010/06/06 16:57:26 -8.754 112.474 89.7 JAVA, INDONESIA

Here are the latest aftershocks in and near Chile to its strong big quake there:

5.0M 2010/06/05 15:18:09 -25.018 -72.100 35.0 OFF THE COAST OF ANTOFAGASTA, CHILE
5.0M 2010/05/24 23:57:36 -36.359 -73.222 22.0 OFFSHORE BIO-BIO, CHILE
6.5M 2010/05/24 16:18:28 -8.095 -71.558 565.3 ACRE, BRAZIL
5.9M 2010/05/23 22:46:53 -13.899 -74.332 109.6 CENTRAL PERU
5.7M 2010/05/21 18:52:09 -34.449 -71.629 10.0 LIBERTADOR O'HIGGINS, CHILE
6.0M 2010/05/19 04:15:43 -5.069 -77.559 125.6 NORTHERN PERU
5.9M 2010/05/02 14:52:43 -34.212 -71.864 35.1 LIBERTADOR O'HIGGINS, CHILE
5.9M 2010/04/23 10:03:07 -37.415 -72.890 35.0 BIO-BIO, CHILE

The 8.8M Chile earthquake occurred on Saturday, February 27, 2010 at 03:34:14 AM local time at epicenter.

The Gulf oil well blowout began an April 20, 2010. There were no big earthquakes globally on 4/19, 20 or 4/21.

So far there are no big quakes since the Far Point of the Moon, but with three lunar milestones starting to pass yesterday, I expect more big quakes soon. We shall see where, when, how deep, the aftershocks, and whether or not there are any tsunamis. This is not a prediction for any particular place, but common things occur commonly.

Donald

Donald,

Here are some more apocalyptic news events that we are seeing while riding these "White Horses":

As mentioned earlier, Mother Nature is angry! Why aren't more people bowing to her instead of brutally raping her and abusing her environment? While there have been various laws made to protect Mother Nature, we see flagrant violations of those laws when it comes to the Babylonish "Corporacracy"and its "Greed Heads." ... No, not 'Green' Heads. 'Greed' Heads ~~ that is, Snake Heads, as seen with the BP Oil Spill.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37...s/weather/?GT1=43001
Town in shock after twister tears through
5 die, including father of valedictorian; high school among the buildings hit
MILLBURY, Ohio - This town of 1,200 was in shock and in mourning on Sunday after a tornado killed at least five people — including a child and the father of the high school valedictorian — and tore through dozens of homes as well as the high school itself. The twister and a few others across the Midwest overnight were part of a severe storm system that also ripped siding off of a nuclear plant in Michigan and destroyed homes elsewhere. In all, at least seven people died

http://www.toledoblade.com/art...0609806/0/BUSINESS07
DUNDEE, MICHIGAN -- Child among 5 killed in overnight tornadoes, storms

http://www.straitstimes.com/Br...STIStory_533797.html
TROPICAL STORM AGATHA -- Storm death toll nears 150

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37...s/world_news-europe/
Second flood wave inundates houses in Poland
WARSAW, Poland -- Thousands of firefighters and soldiers are strengthening dikes that are crumbling in a second wave of massive flooding in southern Poland following weeks of torrential rains.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37535539/ns/weather/
Tropical storm hits Pakistan's largest city; 7 die
KARACHI, Pakistan -- A tropical storm lashed Pakistan's coast with torrential rains and heavy winds Sunday, damaging mud houses and submerging roads in the country's largest city. Seven people were electrocuted in floodwaters, officials said.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37510133/ns/weather/
Cyclone kills 16, halts oil production in Oman
MUSCAT, Oman -- Cyclone Phet, despite weakening to a Category 1 storm, pummelled Oman's coastline on Friday, killing 16 and halting the small oil-producing country's oil and gas production for a day, officials and state media said. Oman's Civil Defense Chief says Tropical Cyclone Phet has killed 16 people and left four others missing.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37510629/ns/weather/
Australian town hit by violent storm
Waterspout damages dozens of homes, injures 6
SYDNEY - A violent storm and waterspout swept through a coastal town in eastern Australia on Thursday, tearing the roofs off homes, devastating a caravan park and leaving six people injured, officials said. The rotating thunderstorm, known as a supercell, and a waterspout that formed underneath it caused considerable damage in the town of Lennox Head in northern New South Wales state, said meteorologist Julie Evans of the Bureau of Meteorology.

Sela

Sela

It would be interesting to see what the windshields of cars that were rained upon looked after the rain dried.

My bet is that the windshields will be dirty from the volcanic ash in the rain. In what rain we have received in Albueurque the ash is all too noticeable.

The storm in nature akin a nuclear explosion is the high ash erupting volcano, and there were three reported in last Thursay's EARTH & SUN DIGEST.

I hope the ash does't affect the sight of the White Horses carrying their loads.

Sunglasses?
Donald

Sela

A comet is again in sight, one new to the solar system, but it will not come closer than 1 A
(Earth's distance to the Sun).

Here is Comet McNaught .

Donald

Donald,

As said, new chemo puts body in a slump but I think I finally figured out what you meant about your ignoring certain references. Must be that post to Linda 6/4 about innate nature of man. Tried to edit it same day four hours later to correct some errors but a window kept popping up that the time limit had expired, which it hadn't, so couldn't edit.

The reference about the Cro-Magnons and the innate nature of man was actually referring to the "Beast of Revelation 13" which is a subject we have not touched on and needs to be established before the other worlds take over. It would require a topic of its own, however, but it is a major significant chapter to the overall prophecy in Revelation. Perhaps will start a new topic about that chapter later. John's vision of a new world of peace and harmony cannot possibly be brought into existence during the time we are riding these white horses without exposing the beast, who is a man, and his number is 666. I notice you did mention that number in your post on 06-06-2010.

As said throughout the years, this age is the consummation of all other ages in history, and my books explain all these things. There is no question but that the time continuum is during this final ride in cyberspace that stands as a template to all our postings regarding the last book in the Bible. Goodness, we have been posting for 16 years, but JUBILEE takes FIFTY YEARS!

This has been quite a journey on Earth!

More later. Time to take my medicine.

Sela

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The way I see it is that he only thing that would bring about a global transformation is a global earthquake. On the other hand, the Bible does not really predict a 'global earthquake', only the fall of a 'great city' that is divided into three parts, bringing 'great Babylon' into remembrance before God. See Rev. 16:18-19.

Sela,

So you finally admit that global transformation doesn't HAVE to begin with with a global earthquake and you'll settle for a massive oil spill instead? It's already been called the most catastrophic environmental disaster in history, and it isn't over yet. Is that catastrophic enough for ya?

In the past two weeks I haven't been keeping up on the oil spill too much because I've been preoccupied (obsessed, actually) with the Israel and the fallout from the Mavi Marmara incident. That's also why I haven't been spending much time on Aantares. I've mostly been reading Ha'aretz and various Jewish blogs, and as usual arguing ferociously with all and sundry--just not that much of it on Aantares.

I'm also a little afraid to find out just how bad the damage from the oil spill is projected to be, how many more decades will people be unable to fish in the Gulf of Mexico, will the pollution be carried inland by tornadoes, etc. I guess I can't bury my head in the sand for too much longer, though. As I told a friend recently, I can only deal with ONE catastrophe at a time! For me--and I believe also for Israel and for Judaism--the flotilla incident is the tipping point. EVERYTHING is changing so fast, and not entirely for the worse either.

--Linda

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Originally posted by Raksha:
Sela,

So you finally admit that global transformation doesn't HAVE to begin with with a global earthquake and you'll settle for a massive oil spill instead? It's already been called the most catastrophic environmental disaster in history, and it isn't over yet. Is that catastrophic enough for ya?

Linda,

The oil spill is not catastropic enough to bring about a change in human nature; which is what is meant by "global transformation". The oil spill is an 'apocalyptic judgment' to wake people up to the dangers of allowing GREAT BABYLON to control the world! That is how I see it simply because of its association with all that we have been discussing over the years, including this current topic about the "White Horses".

No matter what atheists try to make people believe, there is a definite connection between God as the Creator of heaven and earth, and the events that happen on earth. My task over the years has been to show this connection, to show that God is real, to show how the God of the Bible acts in history for our salvation, and to continue to go on and speak credibly of this reality.

As I have said many times over the years, this has been the main purpose of all my writings. The 'final earthquake' that destroys 'history as we know it now' is still on the table; but as I also have said in a number of different ways, what good would it be to destroy the world 'as we know it now', or any great city in the world, if the inhabitants on Earth are unaware of the REASON for it? This is especially true since so many false teachings about the Second Coming were taught over the years by the patriarchal church; and, as you, Donald, and others who post here, so well know, that is one of the main points of debate on these religious forums.

Final Judgment is one of the main themes of the Bible, but it is not limited to 'one final act'; it is the ongoing actions of a God who in different times and in different ways reveals deeper dimensions of the divine will for human history. Another thing. How can the 'Great White Throne Judgment' occur if everyone on earth is destroyed?

So what happens next? Each day we learn something new about religion and politics, the environment and criminal acts, and how all this is connected to the apocalyptic prophecies about GREAT BABYLON! What we really need to learn is WHY do humans behave the way they do? The Bible tells us why! And if my mental and physical strength endures, I hope to use my own circumstances as a catalyst to change people's thinking on the reason these catastrophes are occurring. But that is another challenge because it has been said many times on these forums that it is almost impossible to change the way people think about God and religion, especially if they have been taught something else.

But isn't that the reason for these debates?

Sela

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Originally posted by EQ:

I hope the ash does't affect the sight of the White Horses carrying their loads.

Sunglasses?

Donald,

This has been quite a load we are carrying, and my back hurts! My eyes, too, from all the reading and posting!

I notice we have been at this debate for 20 months! Perhaps we need to to synchronize these "White Horses" with that angel in Chapter 20, grab that key and chain that binds the old serpent, shut him up, put a seal on him, and throw him in the bottomless pit so that he deceives nations no more!

No question but that changes need to be made if the promise of a 'new heaven and earth' is to take place. I have always hoped it would be during my lifetime ... and am still hoping ...

Sela

Sela

You mentioned doing something on the Beast. I'm pretty sure he/she will be noticed by God, but does not merit more than the opportunity to do his nasty thing. In a democratic environment all he needs to do is get elected, even if for only a constitutionally limited period.

Regarding repeal of the law on gays in the military under the idea of "Don't Tell..",
I received the May 28, 2010, issue of New Mexico Epidemiology, Volume 2010, Number 4, entitled, New Mexico's Progress in Collecting Sexual Orientation Health Data and Its Implications for Addressing Health Disparities".

The population base:

quote:

According to NM BRFSS data, 2.1% (29,800) and 2.5% (36,000) of adults identified as LGB in 2005 and 2006, respectively, 2.4% (29,100) and 3.2% (39,100) of adults 18-64 years identified a LGB in 2007 and 2008, respectively

LGB is lesbian, gay or both.

Here is their conclusion:

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Overal, LGB adults in New Mexico experience significanl higher risk compared to their straight counterparts for tobacco use, excessive alcohol use, suicide, depression, intimate partner violence, obesity, asthma and life dissatisfaction.

The graph shows two to three fold increases in the LGB group. The graph may be available on the internet.

It sounds to me like equalization is the coming standard, rather than excellence, especially in the military. At least the prior military standard showed that some of the LGB group could attain excellence without confrontation. My thought is that God still supports excellence based on the biblical standard, and the availability of White Horses.

Donald

Donald,

The countdown continues in more ways than one. Have to say it is not easy to stay focussed on "White Horses" when there are so many other activities going on in my household.

Last night my beautiful 17-year old granddaughter graduated from high school and another granddaughter, my oldest, picked me up and brought me to the commencement ceremony. (My husband had to work.) She is one of the top honor students in a class of about 280 seniors, and is going on to college to major in the study of neuroscience. Certainly we are all proud of her. She has a scholarship which is helpful. The cost of a college education in this country is outrageous but that's another subject.

If things go according to 'Script' there will be some major changes coming up very soon. I have every confidence we are still on track; and the toads that you see jumping out of the mouth of the dragon, the beast and the false prophet are gathering together to the battle of the GREAT DAY OF GOD ALMIGHTY! These diabolical demons have made plans to take over the world; but as this chapter on the White Horses states, they will be SEIZED and thrown into the Lake of Fire to be consumed by their own great wickedness.

These things may have been discussed earlier, but if we repeat them enough times, it might sink in.

Sela

Sela

That comment about toads reminds me of a video shown during the last presidential campaign.
It showed the dictators of the world (lookalike actors) sitting around a table, and listening to Obama's plans for peace in the world. When he finished, they looked at each other and then broke out roaring in laughter.

That to me is at least the spirit in the toads.

If I can find that email, I'll send it.

Donald

Donald,

Another angry Mother Nature receiving a message from the Mother of all the Living?

Sela

Speaking of beasts, I sent you an email entitled, "Bad Ass Mule".
This shows graphically how family pets can treat aggressive non-family animals.

For readers, this was the case of a Montana family out on the trail with their dogs when a mountain lion spied the dogs and took out after them for lunch. The rider of the mule had dismounted to get a shot at the lion, when the mule decided that danger was urgent and went into protective mode. The wife photographed it all.

I certainly hope our White Horses are that motivated.

The graphic score was mule 1, mountain lion 0.

Donald

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Originally posted by EQ:

I certainly hope our White Horses are that motivated.

Donald,

We are getting to the end of our ride. What I really need is the time and energy to explain it. Yesterday was oncologist appointment and IV's. Today more stuff going on.

However, riders on White Horses understand, and are quite motivated to continue this ride to the end ~~ which is getting closer and closer. In fact, as I look at the calendar, hmmmm, how does 40 days sound? This is a very significant number in the Bible!

Sela

Sela

The Father send his son Jesus, Jesus had his father send the Holy Spirit, and believers have a handle on disaster they can rely on. That is not to say soldiers don't go in harm's way, and that Christians didn't die from lion bites. Nor did Christian knights prevail against the Muslims living in the Holy Land, and surely some knights rode white horses.

My thought at present is to continue at my post as long as I am able. This week there were two 7M quakes in the Indonesia area, and one rippled though Japan to the mouth of the Gulf of California, with an aftershock in southern California. That one from the Nicobar Islands showed how seismic energy could travel in a straight line through coastal regions. That 8.8M quake in Chile was at the end of February. Technically there should be only one 8M quake a year. On the other hand, the Sun is not following the usual pattern of rejuvenaton at the end of a sunspot cycle. Fortunately there is a lot of technical data being produced to give us a clue, hopefully before some bigger disaster happens.

Those pirates are using water horses (boats) to create havoc, and some are white, mimicking
scripture. Then there are those white rockets used by North Korea and Iran. Bigger white rockets from Russia are taking our astronauts to the ISS, now that the white Space Shuttles have lived out their life.

At this point I am looking for testimonies, testable testimonies, that God is still working for his people. There surely are good ones held by Christians as strong as the PB CEO.

Donald

Donald,

Yesterday was the big graduation party for my 17-year old granddaughter. It was an open house and got to see many of my relatives that I haven't seen in a long time. Unfortunately, I had taken too many pills to get me through the day and got deathly sick; something like that day in February when I wound up in the hospital. I should know better. It's a no-no to OD.

My children helped me into the bedroom and I slept the rest of the day at my daughter's house. Am feeling better now but a little bit too 'oozy' to post much today. Will look over these posts tomorrow and respond.

Sela

Sela

"Where there is a will, there is a way."

At least your living presence was positive, rather than negative.

See also my recent notes on Road to Perdition.

Take care,
Donald

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Originally posted by EQ:
Sela

"Where there is a will, there is a way."

Donald,

Internet Service down most of the day. Was gone part of day, too, and discovered Internet still not in service when returned home. Called Customer Service at ISP and with a few instructions got it up and running again. That proves that 'White Horses' can't be stopped when they are up and running.

Oh, for a minute during the time my Internet access was denied, I thought this Internet Kill Switch bill had passed.

Will take more time tomorrow to post. Past my bedtime.

Sela

Sela

I posted the "Internet Kill Switch" article over on Road to Perdition, as it is an on the ground thing.

Here is an interesting article summarizing petroleum pollution in the Persian Gulf, from an Iranian source. It also advocates conservation. The air pollution mentioned was from the burning wells of Kuwait:


http://www.parstimes.com/envir...nt/pg_pollution.html

Donald

Donald,

While I was clicking into this "White Horses" topic, there was a commercial on TV playing the song "Three Blind Mice" in the background.

This reminded me of how unaware humans are at understanding the 'signs of the times', especially Christians. This kind of danger, at any moment of the day, is not only enormously threatening to their life, family, and/or property, but also to their very religion!

Back in the days of my ancestors, the Native Americans, it is worth noting that they were always awake to any movement in life. If they weren't, it would cost them all of the above!

Thank goodness we are riding White Horses who are wide awake to this world's evils, and not blind like the mice above ~~ whoops, I mean the mice below us on earth who are getting their tails cut off because they are blind!

The white tails of our horses are smooth, flexible and strong, showing that they are leading us exactly where we want to go! And do you know that in real life, the horse's tail communicates information to the rider about what is going on in the world around them?!

That is what we have been doing for the last year and a half; and, of course, that is the purpose of this ride through cyberspace. Right now the tail of the lead horse is slightly raised, and the ears are pricked forward, communicating to rider to BE ON THE ALERT ~~ and HEED his warning!

Unfortunately, the patriarchal church is BLIND to this.

That is my message for today. More tomorrow.

Sela

Sela

Watch out below!

Horses of war are participants in the war, similar to that Montana riding mule that grabbed the mountain lion by the tail and finished him off.

I wonder if a biblical White Horse gets cleaned out riding through walls. If he rode through the opening for a pearl door I can imagine a thorough cleaning.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

One advantage of a flying horse is that he is cooler the higher he flies, and my understanding is that the flight to Zion is just under the clouds. Ancient Pegasus outdid himself by flying too close to the Sun.

Donald

For the Fourth of July St. Stephen UMC in Albuquerque has the choir singing two anthems under direction of our lady director. The anthems are We're Marching to Zion and Guide Me, O Thou Great Jehovah. In the first Zion is described as the "beautiful city of God". In the second is the request to "open now the crystal fountain", "let..the fiery pilar lead me all my journey through", "When I treat the verge (edge) of Jordan..bear me through the welling current, land me safe..on Canaan's side". That sounds to me like the armies are splashing in the Jordan river first on the way to Zion.

Here's another point: Israel under Saul and David conquered Canaan, with prior help by Joshua and the Hebrews. Thus anything today that is Israel's comes under this mention of Canaan. Look, however, how much of Israel edges on the Jordan River. My map shows this area just south of the Sea of Galilee, close to Mount Tabor and not far from Megiddo. So the path leads from the Jordan River to Megiddo to Jerusalem, to avoid the Palestinian West Bank.

Long ago in looking for the exit of the American Army from Iraq I actually had them coming through Jordan to the same general site of the river to cross it, thus bringing them to participate in Armageddon.

Small world. Good luck, General Petraeus. Have a nice vacation, General McChrystal.

Donald

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Ancient Pegasus outdid himself by flying too close to the Sun.

Are you sure you're not thinking of Icarus?
--
Stephen

Stephen
Yup, Icarus did come too close to the Sun and melted his wax wings his father Daedalus, the architect of the Minoan labyrinth, made for him, but Icarus was a man and when his wings melted, fell into the Aegean Sea and drowned.

Pegasus was the flying horse and knew better.

Donald

There is another aspect to the White Horses--where are they stabled when not flying in formation?

A thought I had is that the New Jerusalem described in Revelation might house the horses as extension of God's caring and reward. This means that in addition to the Celestial Throne, there is a gathering of selected animals and worthy humans and of course obedient angels.
Considering the length of time since Christ, this might well be a crowded second Ark, enroute to the New Earth/New Heaven as preordained. This time the water is all evaporated, serving only those in the Ark, until as in Creation the water in the atmosphere finally comes back to Earth, cleansed by the Sun, and not like Mars or the Moon.

This of course demands a structure to accommodate the differences in the Saved as peoples, the continuing relation of the animals to their riders, and the breaking down of Babel so all can communicate.

In deference to Stephen's string, the Bible does have a variety of religious experiences, a source of conversation and wonder.

Donald