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Originally posted by EQ:
Sela

How does a bureaucrat pat down the soul?

Apparently Pakistanis do it for blasphemy against the Prophet, one time, to a Christian woman who had to give water to Muslim women, and they plan to hang her.

That seems to be the in thing in the Muslim world these days.

Donald

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[10] And the son of an Israelitish woman, whose father was an Egyptian, went out among the children of Israel: and this son of the Israelitish woman and a man of Israel strove together in the camp;
[11] And the Israelitish woman's son blasphemed the name of the LORD, and cursed. And they brought him unto Moses: (and his mother's name was Shelomith, the daughter of Dibri, of the tribe of Dan
[12] And they put him in ward, that the mind of the LORD might be shewed them.
[13] And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
[14] Bring forth him that hath cursed without the camp; and let all that heard him lay their hands upon his head, and let all the congregation stone him.
[15] And thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel, saying, Whosoever curseth his God shall bear his sin.
[16] And he that blasphemeth the name of the LORD, he shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him: as well the stranger, as he that is born in the land, when he blasphemeth the name of the LORD, shall be put to death.
[17] And he that killeth any man shall surely be put to death.
[18] And he that killeth a beast shall make it good; beast for beast.
[19] And if a man cause a blemish in his neighbour; as he hath done, so shall it be done to him;
[20] Breach for breach, eye for eye, tooth for tooth: as he hath caused a blemish in a man, so shall it be done to him again.
[21] And he that killeth a beast, he shall restore it: and he that killeth a man, he shall be put to death.
[22] Ye shall have one manner of law, as well for the stranger, as for one of your own country: for I am the LORD your God.
[23] And Moses spake to the children of Israel, that they should bring forth him that had cursed out of the camp, and stone him with stones. And the children of Israel did as the LORD commanded Moses.

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Originally posted by CompGuy:
Sela, since when is killing blasphemers evil in your view?

God herself ordered blasphemers to be killed. Leviticus 24:10-23:
Jeff

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1 John 5:7 (New King James Version)
7 For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one.

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each of the three divine persons is recognized to be God (Matt. 3:16-17, 28:19; John 14:7-18, 15:26; 2 Cor. 13:14.)

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Originally posted by EQ:
Jeff

The vision in Revelation is of two leaders, both male, both riding white horses, but one is not divine.

I too have a little difficulty with Sela on this gender discussion.
I am not even certain that the horses of heaven have a single sire, or need to be.

Even with Jesus who on his reported resurrection reveals his scarred hands, showing his steady-state post resurrection "perfection", there is no indication of an active male interested in sex. Instead Jesus is a groupee, taking the saved in a body called the Bride, which still allows both male and female followers to qualify as leaders, under the Twelve Apostles.

Sela rejoices in her inclusion, as maybe Mary Magdalene did also,
and at this point I do not think Sela's version excludes her. It is a unique viewpoint that has engendered much discussion, with other Millennial work to do and understand.

Donald

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Originally posted by EQ:
Sela

I did a search on NEWS and found nothing. Sorry.

Donald

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It is very obvious that you have no understanding at all of the Bible, but I can understand why. You have been told this MANY TIMES that ~~ "the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned!" You are simply unable to receive things of the SPIRIT OF GOD!

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As far as the 'Divine Trinity' is concerned, this is the expression for the revelation of the one God in three 'persons', Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

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Originally posted by CompGuy:
Since "God" is the term given to some supposedly omnipresent, omnipotent, eternal non-physical being of some kind, how can you argue that God is a "He" and not a "She"? How does God have any sex whatever? What does gender mean, after all, when applied to a non-physical being?

You don't really think that God is a He of some sort with a physical existence sitting somewhere on a big chair in Heaven, as did some primitive people? Do you?

Jeff

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Originally posted by EQ:
Jeff

The vision in Revelation is of two leaders, both male, both riding white horses, but one is not divine.

I too have a little difficulty with Sela on this gender discussion.
I am not even certain that the horses of heaven have a single sire, or need to be.

Even with Jesus who on his reported resurrection reveals his scarred hands, showing his steady-state post resurrection "perfection", there is no indication of an active male interested in sex. Instead Jesus is a groupee, taking the saved in a body called the Bride, which still allows both male and female followers to qualify as leaders, under the Twelve Apostles.

Sela rejoices in her inclusion, as maybe Mary Magdalene did also,
and at this point I do not think Sela's version excludes her. It is a unique viewpoint that has engendered much discussion, with other Millennial work to do and understand.

Donald

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Originally posted by Raksha:

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It is very obvious that you have no understanding at all of the Bible, but I can understand why. You have been told this MANY TIMES that ~~ "the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned!" You are simply unable to receive things of the SPIRIT OF GOD!

Sela,

ANYONE can quote this passage, absolutely anyone. Simply quoting it over and over again and claiming you are capable of spiritual discernment doesn't make it so. Spiritual discernment isn't intellectual discernment, or worse yet the ability to make verbal distinctions based upon orthodox Christian theology. That's a rather late development in itself.

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As far as the 'Divine Trinity' is concerned, this is the expression for the revelation of the one God in three 'persons', Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

That is purely a human construct or convention, not a revelation of anything. Judaism knows nothing about any "three persons in one God." Didn't then and doesn't now either.

The one thing I'm willing to grant you is that patriarchal Christianity did attempt to obscure the traditional gender of the Holy Spirit by making it "neuter" instead of feminine, as it is in every other tradition--i.e. Shakti or the Shekhina. But ascribing any gender to God is an anthropomorphism or projection in itself.

--Linda

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To make a long story short, Jesus Christ is my High Master.

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Originally posted by Holy Bhagworm:

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To make a long story short, Jesus Christ is my High Master.

I'm glad that you worship the Jew, Jesus. I doubt if he wanted your worship, though. He wanted you to follow the teachings of the Torah and the laws of Moses as handed down by G-d.

Holy Bhagworm

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Originally posted by EQ:
Jeff

The vision in Revelation is of two leaders, both male, both riding white horses, but one is not divine.

I too have a little difficulty with Sela on this gender discussion.
I am not even certain that the horses of heaven have a single sire, or need to be.

Even with Jesus who on his reported resurrection reveals his scarred hands, showing his steady-state post resurrection "perfection", there is no indication of an active male interested in sex. Instead Jesus is a groupee, taking the saved in a body called the Bride, which still allows both male and female followers to qualify as leaders, under the Twelve Apostles.

Sela rejoices in her inclusion, as maybe Mary Magdalene did also,
and at this point I do not think Sela's version excludes her. It is a unique viewpoint that has engendered much discussion, with other Millennial work to do and understand.

Donald

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"after these things" — refers to God's just judgment of the harlot-city, symbolical Babylon, the city which was destroyed in the preceding chapter by a great earthquake as predicted in Rev. 16:18. This vision in Chapter 19 occurs after the destruction of Babylon. (Quoted from pg. 185, The Final Unveiling," ©1984, by Lois Hoover.)

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Originally posted by Sela Juneau:

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Originally posted by Holy Bhagworm:

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To make a long story short, Jesus Christ is my High Master.

I'm glad that you worship the Jew, Jesus. I doubt if he wanted your worship, though. He wanted you to follow the teachings of the Torah and the laws of Moses as handed down by G-d.

Holy Bhagworm

Obviously you're not interested in salvation.

Sela