Sela

If birds are any clue, then we don't have to clean up after flying horses.

Then there is the possibility of perfection not including eating, etc.
Or feeding everyone from the Tree of Life.

That would solve a problem of keeping the River of Life clean.

On the other hand this would require dualism, the division of body and soul.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

Donald

All

Just viewed again the movie, City Slicker, which points up another aspect of horses, the camaraderie of groups on horses, as well as the companionship of a rider and his/her horse.

Maybe the work of Heaven is caring for one's horse?

My little poetry book, Son of Coyote; When Jesus Was A Cowboy, dwelt with the camaraderie of Jesus and the horses of Heaven. It is not commercially available, although others have reviewed it.

Donald

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Wouldn't you agree that when something becomes officially outlawed, people's 'thinking processes' change, too?

It can have an impact, but it won't necessarily. Drugs have been outlawed for many years, and yet the so-called "War on Drugs" goes ever on. Alcohol was outlawed by a Constitutional amendment, but it went on underground (with a rise in violent organized crime which found it more profitable while outlawed), and was ultimately retracted. Prostitution has never stopped, even if tamped down and driven out from more respectable neighborhoods. Robberies, assaults, embezzlements, etc., etc. Many things are outlawed, and yet they persist. Changing the law does not in itself change the character of the people.

As for Lincoln, he did not outlaw slavery. And as I said, his famous mid-war Emancipation Proclamation only purported to free slaves which weren't under Union control, and it specifically excluded from its threat all Union states and Union controlled territory and any Confederate states which might return before the deadline--any slaves in those areas were out of luck. And let's not imagine that the whole country turned into abolitionists; they were always but a noisy minority. It's a kind of revisionism which latches onto one of the post-war consequences and turns it into an apology and rationale for the war itself. And it started quite early, perhaps because people needed to believe that something so horrible had a better purpose.
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Stephen

Stephen

That reminds me of the definition of a leader: one who sees which way the people are going and gets in front. (Obama did it better than McCain. )

Donald

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Obama did it better than McCain.

Could be. What amuses me about Obama is how everybody denied voting for him because he was Black, and then everybody's celebrating after the election because we voted in the first Black president. (Or the second, if you count Bill Clinton.)
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Stephen

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Originally posted by EQ:
Sela

If birds are any clue, then we don't have to clean up after flying horses.

Donald,

If Joaquin Phoenix's cryptic appearance on David Letterman's show the other night (which was the headlines when I logged on) is any clue, then we do have much cleaning up to do after the 'flying horses'. "The Apocalyse" affirms this.

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Is Joaquin Phoenix faking it? — Feb. 16, 2009, 2:47 PM EST
To watch Joaquin Phoenix's cryptic appearance on David Letterman the other night in light of his performance in James Gray's Two Lovers (Magnolia Pictures) is to be doubly puzzled. How could this heavily bearded weirdo, who broke long, uncomfortable silences with only disconnected monosyllabic mumbling and at one point stuck his wad of chewed gum under Letterman's desk, be the same man who has just delivered the performance of his career?
There are multiple theories as to what Phoenix's public decompensation is all about. (He announced in October that he was giving up acting for good to pursue a career as a musician and has since had one disastrous live show in which he rapped inaudibly and fell off the stage.) He could be spiraling down into alcohol or drug addiction—the actor has done a stint in rehab in the past. He could be mentally ill. Or the whole thing could be an elaborate hoax, staged with the help of his friend and brother-in-law Casey Affleck, who's planning to direct a documentary that's ostensibly about Phoenix's transition from acting to rapping but will (according to theory No. 3) turn out to be the chronicle of an Andy Kaufman-style piece of performance art.

I am sure you are aware that John's vision of 'horses' is symbolic and requires interpretation which, as you know, was the purpose of writing and publishing my second book, "The Final Unveiling".

Imho, the guy on David Letterman's show (who happens to be on TV right now as I'm posting) is symbolic of the tragedy of the horrible plague of alcohol and drug abuse in our society which I wrote about in my book. I have witnessed this very serious illness first-hand and could write long dissertations on it, but for sure would not want to do that on a public message board. Have thought many times of writing a book about this major issue in our society; and seems to me I posted something earlier on this very topic about this issue. After a brief search, found it was posted 11-04-2008 08:01 PM.

The name itself contains a lot of symbolism so thought I would look up his Wikipedia biography which certainly gives an interesting rundown of his life, and perhaps explains his puzzling behavior. Sounds more like a bi-polar personality to me. But one interesting item was that his last name was changed to 'Phoenix' to symbolize a 'new beginning'!! Hmmmm, now does that sound familiar or not? Synchronism? But it looks like there's more here than meets the eye. And when I discovered that his parents joined the Children of God cult, which sounds similar to that whacko cult in Waco, which was another tragedy, then one can understand the kind of environment he must have grown up in and obviously wasn't able to overcome.

Would like to post more about this but it is getting to be 'night night' time for me. Perhaps tomorrow.

Sela

Sela

I think the cleaning up for addicts has to be before they get on their horses. It has to be a long way down if they fall off.

Stephen

Interesting quote on Clinton.

This week in the Senior Homes my musical theme is Crazy Country. My "white horse" has two new tires and 150,000 miles and still has bear claw marks on the hood.

Donald

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Originally posted by Stephen:
(QUOTE)Wouldn't you agree that when something becomes officially outlawed, people's 'thinking processes' change, too?(/QUOTE)
It can have an impact, but it won't necessarily. Drugs have been outlawed for many years, and yet the so-called "War on Drugs" goes ever on. Alcohol was outlawed by a Constitutional amendment, but it went on underground (with a rise in violent organized crime which found it more profitable while outlawed), and was ultimately retracted. Prostitution has never stopped, even if tamped down and driven out from more respectable neighborhoods. Robberies, assaults, embezzlements, etc., etc. Many things are outlawed, and yet they persist. Changing the law does not in itself change the character of the people.

Stephen,

Certainly you have a point, but as I said further in that post, the "thinking process may not be for the better, but nevertheless, a change in thoughts occur." In fact, I was going to mention the drug trafficking (which I did in the note to Donald last night) but only briefly skimmed over the other posts.

Yes, as you said, "the change in thoughts that occurs does not change the character of the person." But, you see, people may change their THOUGHTS but whatever is in the HEART still hangs in there! Jesus taught this two thousand years ago and it is still as valid today as it was then. Jesus, in his explanation to Peter in Matthew 15, emphasizes that it is not the human mind that determines one's decisions, it is the heart.

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"For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies."!

The heart is the seat of what motivates the mind! The entire Bible teaches that! For these reasons a Christian, though he may know the truth and may consider himself perfectly safe from the judgment, must remember the treachery that his heart can play; and must therefore exercise great care not to place himself in the way of temptation.

You mentioned the alcohol and drug problem in this country which is a very personal issue with me, especially since I have seen FIRST-HAND how it devastates families emotionally and financially. Also, I have noticed that this is an issue that has been completely overlooked in current and past administration policies, and you know why? Refer to my post on 11-04-2008 and it will tell you why! In fact, I have notes somewhere (can't find them now) where Lou Dobbs and his guest stated that the drug smuggling into this country could be STOPPED overnight but it will not happen! Too many government officials and elites are too involved in this kind of corrupt activity for the purpose of FILLING THEIR POCKETS with illegal cash, so that even if the stock market crashes, they can still maintain their rich lifestyles. And a lot of that money they carry in their pockets came out of MY POCKETBOOK!

Many of my past posts have referred to a 'prodigal son' who is recovering from his addiction. It is well known that chemical abusers do not like to admit their problem and are not necessarily honest when they need financial help. We ppray every day that my son doesn't relapse again, and we are doing all we can to help him recover. It is heartrending to see these things in a family, any family, but a mother's love goes a long ways ~~ and a father's love, too, as the parable about the Prodigal Son illustrates. It is quite obvious that Jesus knew all about prodigal sons, possibly in his own family or the neighborhood. The same with the Widow's Mite parable. Some commentators have said he could very well have been speaking about his own mother.

My addictive son goes to AA meetings, has a sponsor, and tries to get every bit of support that he can, but it is a tough battle. The addict uses for many reasons. It is a kind of medication that helps him forget his mental and emotional pains, his divorce or troubled relationships, his inability to find work, but these people are sick at heart for some reason or other, and need much LOVE and much COUNSELING!

But do you think the wealthy elite care about these sick people? Not for a minute! Not one penny does the government want to spend on helping them! Not this administration or any previous administration! Only CHRIST cares about them and only CHRIST can HEAL THEM! Besides that, no government program will ever heal them! They need a healing from the heart! I wrote about that in my commentary.

History has proven that all that the elite care about is their MONEY!! Money, money, money, that's all they think about ~~ as if their bankers and brokers will save them from their all their illegal dealings! Hah! KARMA sets in as we have seen this past year, and even now as we speak. Karma is 'just retribution'! It's in the Book! "They that plow iniquity, and sow wickedness, reap the same!" Job 4:8. "Whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap." Gal. 6:7. There are many more passages in the Bible pointing this out which I could quote from my commentary, pg. 121-122, and I have often thought about putting this book on line, which I have noticed so many other others have done. Then I could just link you the reference.

Anyway, drugging America is the TROJAN HORSE of this country, and appointing Drug Czars for the War on Drugs has failed miserably ever since they started this program! But there is a reason for it! Their HEARTS are not directed towards helping these lowly people, the very people that Christ lived among and sought to save!

Where is the church in these times? Many church leaders are too busy filling their own pockets; but I will say that here in the Midwest, the Christians do a terrific job of looking out for each other, and have sponsored many programs to help the poor and needy, including food shelves, free or affordable meals, volunteer work, free counseling and free space for AA meetings, Bible studies, and many other helpful programs. But, you see, their hearts are with JESUS!

Sela

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Originally posted by EQ:
Sela

I think the cleaning up for addicts has to be before they get on their horses. It has to be a long way down if they fall off. Donald

Donald,

Not necessarily. On the one hand, it is a 'long way down if they fall off'; but on the other hand, prophecy teaches that the clean-up cannot begin until after the 'closing battles of history', which is where we are right now in terms of the 'White Horses' battle. John sees in Revelation 19:19, 'the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army'.

As you know, this entire thread has been about Revelation 19 and the Rider on the White Horse, together with the armies in heaven and on earth. Also, as you know, this final book of the Bible has been my expertise for many years. The Apocalypse is an account of the events associated with the second coming. John records a series of visions that are chronologically sequential, but as stated earlier, during the time of the Consummation, everything converges "in the twinkling of an eye". However, you have to be in a 'higher plane' to understand this.

Will explain later. Been busy. Just wanted to pop in on the 19th with a quote from 19:19, review these posts, and put more substantive thought into this later.

Sela

Sela

For those who passed before this time, the grave may well be cleansing.

For those alive at the change Paul says we are raised incorruptible.

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1 Peter 1:4
To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,
1 Peter 1:23
Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

I think this is challenging your idea of Second Birth, however.

Donald

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Originally posted by EQ:
Sela

For those who passed before this time, the grave may well be cleansing.

For those alive at the change Paul says we are raised incorruptible.

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1 Peter 1:4
To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,
1 Peter 1:23
Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

I think this is challenging your idea of Second Birth, however.

Donald

Donald,

Goodness, there is so much theology behind your Scripture quotes, how does one communicate a language few understand? Am not sure what you are suggesting with your Scripture quotes, but seems to me we have debated the ‘born again’ concept before on these forums. And, as usual, your short cryptic note does not adequately address your POV, so am not sure what you are trying to say or how to respond to your post!

Let‘s look at 1 Peter 1:4 more fully which reads:

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3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His abundant mercy has begotten us again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4 to an inheritance incorruptible and undefiled and that does not fade away, reserved in heaven for you,

This simply means the ‘the elect’ have a heavenly inheritance through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, which is beyond the ‘blight of change’, and which is eternal.

The passage in 1 Peter 1:23 reads:

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23Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

Being ‘born again’ means a conversion. Goodness, the BAM (Born Again Movement) was very popular in the 1960’s through the turn of the century; and got its greatest boost in 1976 when Jimmy Carter became president who was known to be a ‘born-again’ Christian. I am not sure the movement is as popular now as it was then, although Pastor Rick Warren brought it to the forefront again with his 15 million dollar seller, “The Purpose Driven Life”; and, of course, during the inauguration events.

Does this answer your post?

Sela

Sela

Actually I prefer "charismatic" to Born Again, but whatever.
The experience to me is more like a new endowment, available for the asking since Jesus made it known to us.

The question, which touches Purgatory too, is the status of the afflicted at their demise. I expect that my alcoholic, Baptist, Native American lady friend is cured and ready for the reward for which she strove.

Donald

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Originally posted by EQ:
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My little poetry book, Son of Coyote; When Jesus Was A Cowboy, dwelt with the camaraderie of Jesus and the horses of Heaven. It is not commercially available, although others have reviewed it.

Donald,

My book deals with Jesus Christ as the Rider on the White Horse!

This is also posted on the Road we are traveling on Earth.

Sela

Donald,

Just for the record, I am sure you know that the picture of Christ on a White Horse posted in the previous note is an image of the words in this prophecy.

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11 Now I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse. And He who sat on him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and makes war. 12 His eyes were like a flame of fire, and on His head were many crowns. He had a name written that no one knew except Himself. 13 He was clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God.

The bottom line is that this picture in heaven is a vision; and thus needs to be interpreted, which was accomplished in my commentary:

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The vision of John's, vv. 11-13, is the climax, and in it all the emphasis is placed upon the triumph of Christ's kingdom. Throughout the Book of Revelation, we have the repeated assurance that God rules supreme, and in the warfare between God and all that are God's on the one hand, and Satan and all that are Satan's on the other hand, there is no shadow of a doubt as to the outcome.

God rules supreme! And in the back of all that has happened throughout history is the supreme will and work of the conquering Word of God, and here with the appearance of the white horse, we see the victory of the Word and the overthrow of every power that opposes Christ's Kingdom. (Quoted from pgs. 191-192, "The Final Unveiling", ©1984, by Lois Hoover.)

Sela

Sela

Interesting picture, and I too used a red background as the horses gathered on Earth for their riders.

Donald

I've been asking my audiences, "When you go to Heaven, how would you prefer to go?" The choice was between a carriage and a horse. So far the count is one horse and two carriages. At present I am not offering a boat.

Really.
Donald

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Originally posted by EQ:
I've been asking my audiences, "When you go to Heaven, how would you prefer to go?" The choice was between a carriage and a horse. So far the count is one horse and two carriages. At present I am not offering a boat.

Really.
Donald

Donald,

My husband is taking a few days off from work so probably won't be posting much, but wanted to mention that yesterday Tyrone was here to do some work for us (such as shoveling snow, cleaning the garage, etc.) He had said he wanted to repay us for all the rides we gave him (and Ethan) to their place of employment when their car conked out. Ethan had previously been giving Tyrone a ride before they had all that car trouble I mentioned earlier on this topic.

When they came into the house to 'warm up' (brrrr, it was cold yesterday after the snow blizzard the day before, around zero), I had been on the computer to check the forum and saw your question. So that inspired me to ask the same question to Tyrone just to see what he would say. He said, "Any way I can get there!"

We both laughed; but I thought that was a good answer and told him so. Tyrone is a Christian who certainly has had a lot of 'trials and tribulations' in his life. He has been in treatment centers (where he met my son) and right now is living in a Group Home; but he has many very good qualities. Just to volunteer to do some work for my husband in payment for the rides we gave him certainly reveals his character.

He is a professional welder and right now works 'on call' at various jobs, which are few and far between during this economic crisis. He has children and an ex-wife; and his son is helping him, too, in his recovery program. *Also friends from either AA or a church group pick him up twice a week to go to Bible study classes. (*Edited later.)

But, in response to the question that you asked your audience, let me say with assurance that heaven is reserved for those who can assert this kind of conversation, or conversion, if you will, (as Tyrone did) as part of their personal story! Lostness awaits all others! Those who do not know Christ as their personal savior face the ultimate penalty of spending eternity apart from God, or, as Christianity teaches, inside the reality of hell!

And believe you me, this is absolutely a reality, as the Lord has so very clearly shown to me time and time again over the years since that special 'night of revelation', which has been communicated to people in books, newsletters and other writings throughout the years.

And now we're ready to WRAP IT UP with the appearance of The Rider on the White Horse!

Sela

Sela

I guess "Anyway I can get there" reflects one's ups and downs and is valid.
The methods are mentioned in Scripture, and as you say we do not really have the choice. We get rewards or sentences, according to Judgment.

The second part of my Son of Coyote: When Jesus Was A Cowboy assumes most of the risen will be on horses, since this is the mode of some intelligence and ability of the riders to experience loving care of the angels en route.
But the Bible does mention carriages going to Jerusalem (Acts 21:15 KJV) "And after those days we took up our carriages, and went up to Jerusalem." Other versions render "carriage" as baggage.

Then there is that lovely Gospel hymn, "Michael, Row The Boat Ashore". My poetic version has the risen bathing in the River of Life with the horses, but appearing before Jesus without them.

I hope Tyrone is not implying that we earn our way to Heaven without the established relationship, but I do recognize that holiness does imply behavior we need to manifest.

Donald

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Originally posted by EQ:
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I hope Tyrone is not implying that we earn our way to Heaven without the established relationship, but I do recognize that holiness does imply behavior we need to manifest.

Donald,

In God's plan of salvation for people, there is both a human and a divine essential. In the Letter of James, he made it very clear that anyone who has real faith would manifest it by works in harmony with his faith.

Faith is the basis for salvation; but James points out that there cannot be genuine faith that does not produce good deeds.

Does that answer your statement?

In Tyrone's case, when we drove him to work so that he could keep his job, we did not expect him to re-pay us. (This was during January before he was laid off.) We did it as a favor because we knew he had very little money and was behind in his rent at the Group Home. He has his own small apartment there, has to buy food to cook his own meals, plus his other expenses. This house is part of a network of homes where the residents are responsible for their own expenses. It is a program that builds responsibility as well as providing a place to live. The program has a name but cannot recall it as I am typing this, but it is a wonderful program for recovering addicts.

Jame's epistle states that "A person is justified by what he does and not by faith alone!"

When Tyrone offered to do GOOD WORKS to repay his indebtedness to us, without our even asking, that INDEED shows what is in the heart!

Sela

P.S. Besides that, he volunteers to help serve people in 'soup kitchens'. He said there is a lady who runs the kitchen that picks him up every Sunday and he said he would be helping. Formerly he was in the soup line himself, but now he is doing everything possible to show responsibility to himself and others. We all PRAISE THE LORD for getting these poor and needy people back on their feet!

Sela

I believe we are into semantics, and my intent in my comment was to cover just what you said. Since faith is something we have and need to commit to something, I actually said more than you said.

Donald

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Originally posted by EQ:
Sela

I believe we are into semantics, and my intent in my comment was to cover just what you said. Since faith is something we have and need to commit to something, I actually said more than you said.

Donald

Donald,

Whatever you say!

Actually, in re-reading my post above, it may not have been written too clearly. This compels me to respond with further amplification, so I better do it!

The words above that say "there is both a human and a divine essential" needs clarification. The human essential in each one of us is "works" and the divine essential is "faith". What that means during the final judgment era is that faith and works go together for eternal salvation. This is also stated in my commentary, "The Final Unveiling", pg.151-152, in the interpretation of the third vial/bowl judgment, (Rev. 16:4), that "there is no more grace" during the time of final judgment. Iow, the doctrine of 'grace alone' ceases during this time.

Also, it should be reiterated that the Book of Revelation makes this very clear; and I remember distinctly that this was debated vigorously on the old Prodigy Religion BB's.

To give you some examples in Revelation, Revelation 14:13 teaches the following:

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"Then I heard a voice from heaven saying to me, Write: ‘Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on.’”
“Yes,” says the Spirit, “that they may rest from their labors, and their works do follow them!”

Also Revelation 20:12 makes it very clear that the 'dead in Christ' that is, according to my teachings, 'those who died during that 'phenomenal mystery' spoken of in my books' will rise first, or 'come back to life', as some translations teach.

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20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the 'dead' were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their 'works'.

This same thing is taught in many passages of Revelation that 'works' i.e. 'deeds', play a major role in the judgment, such as: Rev. 2:2, 9,13,19, 26; 3:1, 2, 8,15, and many others, too many to look up on the Internet at this time.

During the many studies I did years ago of "The Apocalypse", together with prayers and meditations, made these 'essentials' very clear, and my books reflect that ~~ as do my posts here.

However, as you said earlier, yes, 'most of the risen will be on horses'; but, of course, we need to understand that this is a vision and must be interpreted. As I said on 02-23-2009, these are 'images', and cannot be taken literally until properly interpreted, which was accomplished in my commentary, also stated in that post. I realize my writings are sometimes a bit complex, as is my commentary. In fact, most of the people who had received my second book said it was to difficult to comprehend. However, in the many classes I conducted on that book, it became easier to understand, so I was told.

Whew! Enough for now! Besides that, my husband just called, he had a meeting tonight and is now on his way home.

Sela

Sela

Your note is a fascinating compilation on "works".

My comment, however, dealt with "faith". It will take faith to ride those horses, however real they are. My concern, however, is where the faith is placed, especially since some call Obama Messiah. The faith necessary to change one's lifestyle is best, in my humble opinion, in the God of our Fathers, manifest in Christ Jesus. These are the times to be acutely aware of who the saving God is.

Donald

Donald,

It has been very difficult for me to do much posting because my husband has been taking time off from work. His health hasn't been good (pain in the sacroiliac) so he is using vacation time to stay home whenever he can. There is no paid sick leave in the company's health care plan. He has been going to a physical therapist for the pain who also prescribed pain pills, but noticed he is not taking them. He was limping this morning so I asked him why he doesn't take his pain pill. He said he prefers to feel the pain so he knows what his limits are.

The company he works for has good health insurance, which has been discussed quite a few times throughout my postings on these message boards. If it were not for that, with my serious illness, I would not be alive now. The drugs which I take throughout the day are miracle workers; and I told my husband that my back would be bothering me all the time if I didn't take Vicodin to alleviate the pain.

I have come to the conclusion that men and women are truly different in their thinking. 'Course I have known that for a long time, but that's the way God made us! Imagine what it would be like if both sexes thought alike, although men have sought that throughout history.

Also, I will say that men have certainly made grand and broad statements about how complicated women are, but that is because they will never be able to truly understand women. It's not part of their MO!

Anyway, I tried to find something appropriate on the Internet to link to and post here as corroboration of my statements, but that is impossible because men control the Internet! Honest to God, I didn't believe it until now as I was searching. In fact, as I was surfing on the search engine, I found a site that said "10 Things Women Do Better Than Men", clicked into it, and a window popped up which said, "Internet Explorer cannot open the Internet Site -- Operation aborted!" Could not click anywhere else until I clicked "close" to close that window and the entire Internet crashed!!

See how men want to control everything?! But ELOHIM (God/Goddess) has a BIG SURPRISE for them!

And you'll see the big surprise while we are riding these WHITE HORSES!!

Sela

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Originally posted by EQ:
Sela

Your note is a fascinating compilation on "works".

My comment, however, dealt with "faith". It will take faith to ride those horses, however real they are. My concern, however, is where the faith is placed, especially since some call Obama Messiah. The faith necessary to change one's lifestyle is best, in my humble opinion, in the God of our Fathers, manifest in Christ Jesus. These are the times to be acutely aware of who the saving God is.

Donald

Donald,

After looking over that personal data I posted earlier, thought I better return to the main purpose of this topic, riding those white horses all the way to the very end, or should I say the next event?

There is always so much going on, both in my daily life and in my life of faith, not to mention all those other things that people of faith do ~~ recognizing our unity with each other, our responsibility to each other and our dependence on each other!

You mentioned it takes ‘faith’ to ride those horses, and you couldn’t be more right! It also takes a litany of other God-given gifts which, after refreshing my memory and looking back over these pages, I realize was said months ago when you first started this thread! And isn’t it amazing how much we have covered since then? But that is how the Spirit works!

And unless the LORD builds the house, its builders labor in vain. Psalm 127:1.

Unfortunately, we can see how clearly this is manifested daily as we chart the progress towards the development of everything prophesied in God’s Word.

But to ‘place faith’, as you said, on someone who excites crowds because of his rhetorical skills, and because press coverage features him as Obama Messiah, illustrates more the power of the press and the Internet than anything else.

There is no magic wand to make things better except in the hands of the Lord; and, according to the Bible, all efforts to build a better world will not come into existence until Great Babylon is destroyed, as we have said repeatedly. Only then will the rejoicing begin..

Sela

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another IE 7 glitch

Sela
Your link to Obama Messiah didn't work. Here is another:
http://www.cafepress.com/obama_messiah

Apparently this is based on his campaign promise to CHANGE things. I found it an Alpha and Omega website. Did someone forget to tell him that he was only elected for one term of four years?

Donald