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Devoted... |
I'm not a religious scholar and this will probably get me in trouble wit some of my Jewish friends but I'll toss it out anyway.
When I read the OT LITERALLY I have a hard time relating it to the Jewish culture that I see today. Especially in the USA. Imo, Jewish thought and Jewish culture is maybe the most rational and advanced in the world today. And I just can't connect it with the OT/Torah. I go now. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Tee "Blaming other people for your problems is self-defeating - even if you're right. - WJC |
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Why do you think Jews read the OT literally? Here's the delicate phrasing of Wikipedia:
I was brought up as a Reformed Jew--the running joke being that we were so reformed that we closed for the Jewish holidays. Most of my fellow "Jews" in my Hebrew and Sunday School classes were atheists, as were their parents, although the kids admitted it more readily than the adults. We read the Torah and were taught it as a metaphorical book, composed by many different people. Here's one description of Reformed Judaism: Source: http://www.jewishvirtuallibrar...eform_practices.html Notice throughout that description the emphasis on rationality and thought, not dogma, and that part of the religion itself is the demand that each individual exercise individual autonomy based on "reason, heart and strength." Dogma and a literal interpretation of the Bible is the last thing a Reformed Jew can be accused of. Feel better now? :lol Jeff |
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Jeff,
My late wife was raised Conservative and turned atheist and then to New Thought. Definately not Jewish. Neither of her children practice Judiasm even remotely. Her daughter the last I checked was looking at a couple of Christian churches interestingly enough. I do not have any exact statistics, but I note that many Humanists and others who lean in the direction of atheism are from a Jewish background. Regards, ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Glenn |
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Devoted... |
"Why do you think Jews read the OT literally?"
They obviously do NOT. And I see little reference to it by Jewish religious leaders. Or any other Jews for that matter. So it would seem that Jewish culture is based primarily on rational thought. But is there what Christians term religious faith and what does that have to do with Moses and the OT? Christians, otoh place enormous emphasis on the words of the entire Bible. It is rather ironic that Christians seem to believe more deeply in the OT than do Jews. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Tee "Blaming other people for your problems is self-defeating - even if you're right. - WJC |
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"Christians, otoh place enormous emphasis on the words of the entire Bible. It is rather ironic that Christians seem to believe more deeply in the OT than do Jews." Yes, Xtians place emphasis on words with no pretense for placing emphasis on thoughts. And concepts are totally out of the question. There's no irony because despite what you grokked from Jeff, Jews read the scriptures and think deeply about them. And because we're Jews, we each have our own opinions. There would never be a possibility of a Jewish televangelist - 'cos we'd laugh him off the TV. Holy Bhagworm |
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Holy,
Just for my own education, would you say that what has been summarized about Reform Judaism also applies to Orthodox? Or would they come closer to fundamentalist Christians in their way of thinking? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Tee "Blaming other people for your problems is self-defeating - even if you're right. - WJC |
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Steadfast... |
John, Here's the quick-and-dirty short answer: It has to do with the long-established oral tradition in Judaism, known as the Talmud. This provided a kind of "interface" that often had the effect of modifying some of the more draconian laws--such as those under discussion on the other thread--very often to the point of nullifying them completely. Sorry I don't have time to get more deeply into this, but it's 4:21 a.m. and I should have been asleep hours ago! --Linda ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The illusion of freedom will continue as long as it's profitable to continue the illusion. At the point where the illusion becomes too expensive to maintain, they will just take down the scenery, they will pull back the curtains, they will move the tables and chairs out of the way and you will see the brick wall at the back of the theater.” ― Frank Zappa |
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Thanks Linda, Your quick-and-dirty short answer explains allot. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Tee "Blaming other people for your problems is self-defeating - even if you're right. - WJC |
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There's little to link orthodox Jews with reformists. And there's even less to link orthodox Jews with fundamentalists Christians, imo. And Jews don't proselytize, thank G-d. You don't want to be a Jew?....it's fine with them. Holy Bhagworm |
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BTW, you'd love the Jewish Museum in NYC, JohnT. We're not talking the Holocaust Museum here...it's a museum and tribute to Jewish history which actually doesn't mention the Holocaust. It's an amazing history.
Holy Bhagworm |
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