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Donald, I'm skeptical about that. If such a bridge existed, at least traces of it should visible today. Seán | |||
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Sean That story gets even stranger. The land bridge was at the mouth of the Gulf of Aqaba, leading the Hebrews into what is now Saudi Arabia. There is a video showing the Twelve Palms and the place of sacrifices with petroglyths, with the conclusion that this was the place the Hebrews came, not Mount Sinai. This web site explores this whole concept: http://www.truebiblecode.com/understanding249.html Donald | |||
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Donald, From your reference, the exodus included two or three million people! I had no idea they were so numerous. I wonder how long it took for them to walk across the land bridge? Possibly a month? Seán | |||
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My rough calculation, assuming they walked 50 abreast for ten hours a day, moving three miles per hour, says the crossing would require 10 days minimum. Don't take that number seriously because it entails too many assumptions and omits some other factors. Seán | |||
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Sean Wow! You do come up with huge numbers. Actually, as with other big numbers in the Bible, I think they are meant to convey big numbers, but not accurately, as nobody was taking a census. The big numbers may have also been meant to convey a challenge to those who opposed them. The description of the Hebrews in the desert also makes one wonder how they survived. On the other hand, there was manna, even as there was reluctance for the first generation freed from Egypt to challenge the giants in the Promised Land. Note that when the Hebrews finally conquered the Promised Land that they took over Jerusalem, so this may have been the first New Jerusalem. The second was when the Jews returned from Babylon. The third was when it was rebuilt after the Romans destroyed it. Donald | |||
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Donald, Pay no attention to my numbers. They are just my way of recalibrating my thinking. For example: I had believed, before being corrected, that the fleeing Hebrews numbered only in the thousands. I'm still astonished to hear a wind displaced the waters to a depth of 60 feet. Judging from the displacement we see with hurricanes, the wind's velocity must have considerably exceeded 100 miles per hour for ten days or more. The unheralded miracle here is that the Hebrews were not blown away like tumbleweeds. Seán | |||
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Sean "When God is on your side, who can be against you?" On the other hand, the living conditions eventually discouraged the Hebrews against Moses, and it took the next generation to finish the trip to the Promised Land. Note that the mouth of the Gulf of Aqaba is SE of Santorini. It was a huge volcano in eruption, even if 700 miles away. Volcanic rock floats, and enough might have made a passable bridge... Donald | |||
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Donald, I know the volcanic rock called pumice floats because I've found bits of it in my back yard and tested. Also, I am able to accept that great masses of the stuff could form a bridge strong enough to permit the passage of a multitude of people. But I can't see how such a sturdy structure could disintegrate with such abruptness that the pursuing Egyptian army drowned. Water parted by the wind seems more plausible to me. Seán | |||
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Sean Today's edition of Arutz-7 describes the current controversy regarding Jerusalem, and something any New Jerusalem will have to contend with:
Can you imagine God judging Christians and Muslims in such a Jewish setting? Who would be in control of this New Jerusalem? Donald | |||
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I can imagine God not noticing the differences between the three sects and applying the Kilkenny cat solution to the problem. Seán | |||
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Donald, This chart leads me to wonder what God's judgment will provide for the non-Jewish, non Muslim, non-Christian remainder of the populace. Seán | |||
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Sean If laws were for brains to become orderly and productive, there would still be the question of the energy to follow the laws. The first question is the number of given gods. The second question how to handle the transition from one god to the next. A third question for the monotheist is the structure of the one god, and how to be energized to stay right with him/her/it. The Buddists ruined a World Peace international conference after World War II over just these questions. The questions and the Buddhists remain with us, and the answers are personal. Merry Christmas! Donald | |||
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Huh? I can't find information about that at all. More details and some links, please! Buddhism is all about compassion, non-violence, peace, and tolerance. Buddhism may ask US to ask questions of OURSELVES, but it doesn't give answers and encourages people to think for themselves by using their common sense and human intelligence. I can't imagine how those ideas would ruin a peace conference. Jeff | |||
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Donald, I may be wrong here, but my impression is Buddhists get along without any God at all. If so, they'd have a hard time dealing with your questions. Seán | |||
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Jeff and Sean The conference I aluded to was to the best of my memory in the early 1950's. I am unable to get through the sheer volume of Buddhist and Christian references to give you a better reference. OTOH I think Sean is right in agreeing Buddhists don't need a God reference, which makes my point. Best of the holidays to all following this thread. Donald | |||
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Donald, My best guess is you are referring to the Geneva Conference that began in 1954. After his election in 1955, South Viet Nam President Ngo Dinh Diem (a Roman Catholic) conducted a bloody pogrom against Buddhists which they vigorously protested. Does that coincide with your recollection? Seán | |||
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Sean That reference is interesting, but not religious at all. Nice try. Donald | |||
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Today's edition of Arutz-7 carries an article about clandestine Israeli agents digging dirt around Iranian nuclear sites.
The tension continues. Donald | |||
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Sean Somehow I missed this note, but pursuing the idea of a volcanic bridge did not. I came upon this reference to such a bridge on the Moon: http://blogs.airspacemag.com/m...09/building-bridges/ This one refers to deposited material that has the lower material washed away. I would guess that the vibration of heavy chariots drawn by horses might be sufficient to destroy the bridge. Donald | |||
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Do you know the size of the pursuing army? By the way, this reference suggests smaller numbers than we've been considering. Seán | |||
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Sean LOL The Pharoah send his whole army, bent on destroying the Hebrews. BTW A large part of the Hebrews were children, as were those from eons past. Compare the weight of a chariot, warrior and two horses over one spot with a similar number of kids on the same spot, even if they were jumping up and down. Those ash bridges were made by rushing water, in part by compaction, in part by wash-out. Note that the mouth of the Gulf of Aqaba narrows from the more northern body. Also, the road in the file I sent also shows the road on the northern shore of the eastern islands, as one might expect from a southern flow of the debris. Donald | |||
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Sean Here is an article about a man who loves to document underwater volcanic bridges: http://blogs.agu.org/geospace/...07/volcanic-bridges/ He used ultrasound to document bridges near faults, albeit at 2500 deep. The picture of the fault in the Marianas is graphic. Donald | |||
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Donald, Pumice floats because its porosity gives it a density less than that of water. If the air the pores contain is expelled by compression, pumice sinks like any other stone. The bridge you are envisioning would be composed of floating independent particles with no tendency to cohere. Any heavy object on the bridge would displace the pumice and sink into the depths: Imagine what would happen if you placed a pebble on "bridge" composed of floating packing peanuts. Log jams are another matter. They constitute a working bridge capable of supporting weight because the density of of a log, combined with the weight it is supporting, is less than that of an equal volume of water. Huge blocks of pumice could form a useful bridge in the same way as log jams do, but large chunks of pumice are durable and would still be there for anyone to see. Large pumice rafts have been recorded. However, the article I cite also speaks of floating coral and we know coral existed on the scene! Seán | |||
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Sean At best we are speculating, but I appreciate your thoughts. I haven't ever tried walking across the land based ash bridges, but we have had volcanos active in ancient times here in New Mexico. The one west of Los Alamos has a huge crater, and basalt rock is found here in Albuquerque supposedly from its ancient eruptions. A biblical admonition reminds us that God said he would never again curse the Earth. Genesis 8:21 So where does that leave the billions that will rise. It looks more like Malthus might be useful, with his view of mankind starving. | |||
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Donald, Malthus' theories were admixed with religion, politics and economics, but on the basal level he maintained the availability of food would determine the limit to the human population's growth. We know that's true for other creatures, and even our remarkable ability to increase the food supply must have a limit, so it must be true for us, as well. However, Malthus did not foresee the present trend in developed and developing nations, where population increase is curtailed by the use of birth control while the human life-span grows apace. In a few more years we'll all be aged and feeble, with too few offspring to take on the burden of our care. I think the man was very lucky he had not to deal with that. Seán | |||
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