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Zealot... |
Boomantribune:
http://www.boomantribune.com/s...2010/7/21/22830/7762 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ “What a shame that time passes, don’t you think? What a shame that we die, and get old, and everything good goes galloping away and leaves us behind.” From Roberto Bolaño's The Savage Detectives |
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Here's tpm -- why, he could be talking to some of our very own conservatives here, couldn't he?
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.c...a.php#more?ref=fpblg ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ “What a shame that time passes, don’t you think? What a shame that we die, and get old, and everything good goes galloping away and leaves us behind.” From Roberto Bolaño's The Savage Detectives |
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Cj,
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NO! At this time I say no because not all the “what ifs” have been answered yet. Examples: “What if” the edited tape was all that was given to Breitbart? “ What if” Breitbart did not do the editing? “ What if” Sherrod gave the edited tape to Breitbart? Etc ertc etc I really don’t think she has a case against Breitbart, but does have a case against some in the Obama administration. And I do hope she pursues litigation solely for political reasons. Re:
Well excuse the hell out of me but could we please stick to the facts! LA Times
Source: http://www.latimes.com/news/na...0722,0,2676761.story And I can give you at least 100 more sites where it is said “she was fired”. So are you now calling the LA Times a liar, engaged in lies, deceit and deceptions? Fact: Shirley Sherrod was fired! Now don’t you feel silly? Re:
True, but Shirley Sherrod was NOT an “appointed”. She was an “employee”. CNN
http://amfix.blogs.cnn.com/201...-she-is-not-so-sure/
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/201...a_racism_resignation
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...icultu_n_653329.html Fact: Shirley Sherrod was an employee and comes under every Fed rule and regulation just like every other Fed employees! Example: Postal workers. Now don’t you feel silly? Pawn ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ R E S P E C T-------Pass it on! |
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Zealot... |
No I don't. I never said she wasn't. Certainly if she wasn't technically, she was constructively. No I don't. First, I don't know -- and I doubt you do either, but perhaps you could do a little more research -- that being an employee and coming "under every Fed rule and regulation just like every other Fed employee" means she cannot be terminated without cause. Second, I hope she does have a case -- and not just against Breitfart and Fox Noise. But back to Fox Noise as the "vector of this story." Any thoughts regarding their shameful and shameless behavior? Or do you just want to deflect attention to other possible smears against the Obama administration? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ “What a shame that time passes, don’t you think? What a shame that we die, and get old, and everything good goes galloping away and leaves us behind.” From Roberto Bolaño's The Savage Detectives |
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CJ,
Here is another one. Here it is right from Shirley Sherrod’s own mouth”"... Why did they hire me in the first place if they didn't believe in what I had done up to this point?" Fact: She was hired. Not appointed! http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITI...rrod.profile/?hpt=C1 Pawn ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ R E S P E C T-------Pass it on! |
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Zealot... |
How's your research going into whether Shirley Sherrod could be terminated without cause? Got any cites to federal statute or regulations? I'm pretty busy today but I'd be happy to post the language of any cites you come up with.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ “What a shame that time passes, don’t you think? What a shame that we die, and get old, and everything good goes galloping away and leaves us behind.” From Roberto Bolaño's The Savage Detectives |
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Zealot... |
BTW, I wouldn't take this as dispositive if I were you. As you may be familiar with from your own life, terms such as "hire" and "fire" can be used pretty loosely and informally, which is fine. We all do it. Such language need not match up with, and does not necessarily reflect, one's exact legal status. You're getting this stuff from Fox Noise, aren't you? So typical. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ “What a shame that time passes, don’t you think? What a shame that we die, and get old, and everything good goes galloping away and leaves us behind.” From Roberto Bolaño's The Savage Detectives |
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Yes! You can add these two to my previous list of thoughts. Sometimes to win it becomes necessary to fight fire with fire. I just love it when a plan comes together! Add them to this list.
I just hope the next time Obama or a member his administration goes off half cocked and acts “STUPIDLY” by yelling FIRE they are not standing next to the war dept and end up launch a couple of ICBM. Pawn FYI: LIS News July 22, 2010 2600 hrs. Press release: Novelty Unique Toys Symbol: NUTS
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I'm curious: Do you believe what you post? I'm trying to decide if you're deeply dishonest and cynical, or just a fool. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ “What a shame that time passes, don’t you think? What a shame that we die, and get old, and everything good goes galloping away and leaves us behind.” From Roberto Bolaño's The Savage Detectives |
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No as a matter of fact I don‘t believe any were from Fox, if you bothered to look, you would see the two main sources were: 1. The LA Times and 2. CNN. Hardly what I would call a right leaning source. Pawn ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ R E S P E C T-------Pass it on! |
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I'm talking specifically about this spin: And, whether you're capable of admitting it publicly or not, this is pure unadulterated spin. Wheeee!!! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ “What a shame that time passes, don’t you think? What a shame that we die, and get old, and everything good goes galloping away and leaves us behind.” From Roberto Bolaño's The Savage Detectives |
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Zealot... |
Any luck with finding the fed statute or regulations laying out the terms and conditions of Ms. Sherrod's employment?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ “What a shame that time passes, don’t you think? What a shame that we die, and get old, and everything good goes galloping away and leaves us behind.” From Roberto Bolaño's The Savage Detectives |
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I think this says it all! Pawn Firing federal workers is difficult By Angie Drobnic Holan Published on Wednesday, September 5th, 2007 at 5:52 p.m. Source: http://www.politifact.com/trut...ep/05/mcain-federal/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ R E S P E C T-------Pass it on! |
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Zealot... |
No that doesn't say it all. I think we all know there are federal employees that are very difficult to terminate. Civil servants, for example. Is -- or was -- Shirley Sherrod in that category? Was she a civil servant or in some other difficult-to-terminate category?
You obviously have no idea and what's more, you're not interested in the truth. You're interested only in slamming the Obama administration, which necessarily limits your usefulness or value to any discussion on the subject. In any case, as I said, I hope Shirley Sherrod has the full range of legal remedies available to her. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ “What a shame that time passes, don’t you think? What a shame that we die, and get old, and everything good goes galloping away and leaves us behind.” From Roberto Bolaño's The Savage Detectives |
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And now, because it bears repeating:
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.c...a.php#more?ref=fpblg ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ “What a shame that time passes, don’t you think? What a shame that we die, and get old, and everything good goes galloping away and leaves us behind.” From Roberto Bolaño's The Savage Detectives |
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Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://www.washingtonexaminer....4.html#ixzz0uRJi1ooa ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Drill, Baby, Still Standing in the Way of Big Goverment is Not Standing in the Way of Progress It's Not Obama And His Supporters Who Will Decide If Republcans Get The Keys Back. It's The American People. Liz Cheney |
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You mean the rightwing crud are still promoting this crap, which has been thoroughly debunked??!! Amazing. This is a non-issue. For those sitting there who heard the whole speech, it was clear early on that she was telling a morality tale about a lesson learned. A lesson that she, Shirley Sherrod, learned. So, if there's any laughter at all, it's of the "Yeah, I know, I've been there and learned that" sort. Further, there is applause when she states the message full on -- that it's not about black and white, but about those who have and those who don't. If you are doing this knowingly, Charlie, you should be ashamed of yourself for peddling discredited BS. You're as bad as Breitbart. And if you aren't doing this knowingly, you should take a few minutes and actually educate yourself about the facts. And you can start by watching the full video. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ “What a shame that time passes, don’t you think? What a shame that we die, and get old, and everything good goes galloping away and leaves us behind.” From Roberto Bolaño's The Savage Detectives |
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Pawn,
You don't get it. Whether she was fired or not doesn't make that much difference in terms of her damages. The real damage was the damage to her reputation and emotional damages. If she is smart, Ms. Sherrod will file suit in Washington D.C. and demand a jury trial. Because the venue would be Washington D.C. most of the jury would consist of African American Democrats. Breitbart is toast. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Destroy the Republican Party! |
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Zealot... |
A delightful thought. Pawn, of course, is on a frolic of his own, trying to decide if Sherrod can bring suit against the government and in some way embarrass Obama. He's very "narrowly focused." In fact, he's not even trying to "decide" that because that would suggest an interest in the truth. What he's really interested in doing is spinning this story and imagining he's won the latest news cycle. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ “What a shame that time passes, don’t you think? What a shame that we die, and get old, and everything good goes galloping away and leaves us behind.” From Roberto Bolaño's The Savage Detectives |
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Gus,
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True, but the question is “what and who caused the damages? Was it the showing of the video, or the unjust firing. And then there are still a bunch of unanswered “what if “ question to be answered first. Re:
True! Re:
First off, in court you “demand” nothing, you petition the court. Second, you are right, she should petition the court for a jury trial. Re:
Wrong, the venue is GA, as that is where thing happened. So it should be filed in the SE district court in Hotlanta. That’s the same place G Bush filed during the Fla election results scandal. And she will most likely get a black jury here also. Boy! This is getting as complicated as the case of canceling a prom because of a gay issue! Has there been any new news on that one? Pawn ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ R E S P E C T-------Pass it on! |
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Oh look. Pawn's gonna educate Gus on legal matters. <guffaw>
Take your seats, everybody! The show's about to begin. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ “What a shame that time passes, don’t you think? What a shame that we die, and get old, and everything good goes galloping away and leaves us behind.” From Roberto Bolaño's The Savage Detectives |
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If's Pawn's gonna educate me in legal matters, he needs a little help from his legal genius sidekick, zorro.
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Why doesn't anyone get the FACTs about the legalities before posting about the legalities? It's not so hard.
FACT: Sherrod was an appointee. Source: http://www.ruraldevelopment.org/shirleydirector.html Fact: she was asked to resign and did so. Technically, she was not fired. Put "shirley sherrod resignation" into Google and you'll come up with a number of hits. I couldn't find the exact text of the resignation in a quick search, but it's probably online somewhere. There are plenty of news articles quoting Sherrod as saying she resigned. The phrase is often "resigned under pressure" or had her resignation "requested"--it may be what others call being fired, but technically she wasn't fired. For example, Source: http://www.dailyrecord.com/art...resign-her-USDA-post Jeff ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
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Jeff, for concerns such as collecting unemployment insurance, whether she was pushed or jumped might matter. But that is generally not the case for a wrongful termination claim (assuming she can bring one in the first place). And yes, if she's an appointee, she can probably be terminated without cause. But none of us really knows the specifics. You can say, or any of us can say, based on something we read, that she was appointed. And then we can turn around and learn, Well, yes, she was appointed, but her particular appointment falls into some unique category, complete with statutory citations, promulgated regulations, blah blah blah. And there we'd be. So really, we're just all floating around in the shallow end, bantering idly back and forth. Meanwhile, back to the Gus and pawn show... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ “What a shame that time passes, don’t you think? What a shame that we die, and get old, and everything good goes galloping away and leaves us behind.” From Roberto Bolaño's The Savage Detectives |
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I think co-counsel would be fine in this case! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ “What a shame that time passes, don’t you think? What a shame that we die, and get old, and everything good goes galloping away and leaves us behind.” From Roberto Bolaño's The Savage Detectives |
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