Libs Last

Main points:

2009 breakout stays for Conservatives. 2/1 over Libs

40% conservative
35% moderate
21% libs

As the Nation grow more Conservative, Democrats become more Liberal

In 2000. Democrats were 25/44/29 Conserv/Mod/Liberal.
Now Dems are 20/38/39

As a result, from 2007 through 2011, the party has consisted of equal percentages of moderates and liberals, at about 38% to 40%, while about 20% have called themselves conservative.

Independents have twice as many Conservatives as libs

Young Americans have grown More Moderate; Older Americans, More Conservative

Liberal Spike of 2007-2008 didn't last



http://www.gallup.com/poll/152...lines%20-%20Politics

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Conservatives Remain the Largest Ideological Idiotic Group in U.S.

Fixed it!

Garbage!

This whole discussion!
I am personally very conservative. But vote liberal 90% of the time.
I think most voters think of themselves as conservative in the way they view life. This is even more true since the effective demonization or the term liberal. Equating it with socialism. Today's Republicans are nothing like the conservative party of 50 years ago.

Evangelical Wall Street is what we see today.

But to the point: Asking some one if they are a conservative or a liberal, is a waste of time.

We're a center-left country, 56% to 40%.

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Originally posted by Cheryl:
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Originally posted by Gus Rodgers:
We're a center-left country, 56% to 40%.

And imo we should be something like 80% to 20%. Too many mindless voters.

Actually, Democrats have, unfortunately, grown more conservative over the years -- most of our leading Dems are to the right of Nixon. But conservs are putting greater and greater walls between themselves and moderates.

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conservs are putting greater and greater walls between themselves and moderates.

Are you sure?

Recent Gallup poll, first one under their politics center:

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Americans' satisfaction with the size and power of the federal government is at a record-low 29% and their satisfaction with the size and influence of major corporations remains near the all-time low at 30% -- making both highly susceptible targets for politicians and presidential candidates in this election year.

Since they don't have a C/M/L breakdown, lets look at the R/I/D split on the issue.

Satisfied with size/power/influence of the Federal Gov 16/24/49
- I'd say Libs are hanging out with themselves on this issue.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/152...usiness-Big-Gov.aspx

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Originally posted by TheOldMole:
Actually, Democrats have, unfortunately, grown more conservative over the years -- most of our leading Dems are to the right of Nixon. But conservs are putting greater and greater walls between themselves and moderates.

So True!

As last nights debate showed. With the possible exception of Paul, it was a contest to see who was the farthest right. King even tried to ignore Paul, a medical doctor, on the "right to life" question.

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conservs are putting greater and greater walls between themselves and moderates.

Now lets look at the second issue in Gallup's political folder:

Immigration, they have a Con/Mod/Lib split:

Satisfaction with US immigration levels- 17/25/49

Once again, it appears to me that Libs mainly agree with each other and no one else.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/152...Concerns-Linger.aspx

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conservs are putting greater and greater walls between themselves and moderates.

Certainly I'm not claiming that Conservatives and Moderates are marching in lockstep. But you have suggested there is a growing coalition between Libs and Moderates with Conservatives shut out by themselves, and frankly I don't see the evidence for that. Could it be mainly supported by your own wishful thinking?

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Satisfaction with US immigration levels

Code for 'keeping the non-whites out'?

That's me. Conservative and a Democrat.

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Originally posted by Harpy Bane:

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Satisfaction with US immigration levels

Code for 'keeping the non-whites out'?

What a brilliant and original thought!

Dis-satsfied and want an increase in immigration
R/I/D
6/6/7

"MSNBC Debate: Is The GOP Is Racist, or is the GOP is Sexist and Heteronormative?"

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Who has the better argument?

Racist?

Or sexist and heteronormative?

Both sides of the debate have some pretty good points.

Really glad they've added these critical race theorists to the schedule. Their statements are utterly unexpected and incisive. I am glad we pay college professors $200,000 a year to come up with such out-of-the-box thinking that in no way is the standard idiot-answer of a 16 year old.

http://ace.mu.nu/archives/325885.php

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Originally posted by TheOldMole:
But conservs are putting greater and greater walls between themselves and moderates.

Mainly by being anti-science, anti-education Know Nothings.

The GOP debates show that they don't want candidates who agree with them 90% of the time or even 98% of the time. If you want to be the candidate you have to conform to the Tea Party platform 100% of the time or you're considered to be a RINO and a traitor.

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Originally posted by Gus Rodgers:

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Originally posted by TheOldMole:
But conservs are putting greater and greater walls between themselves and moderates.

Mainly by being anti-science, anti-education Know Nothings.

The GOP debates show that they don't want candidates who agree with them 90% of the time or even 98% of the time. If you want to be the candidate you have to conform to the Tea Party platform 100% of the time or you're considered to be a RINO and a traitor.

There you go, Otis. You agree with Gus on this?

Democrats will win in Nov.
Get over it.

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That's me. Conservative and a Democrat.

Yup, that's me too. A classic economic conservative with a conservative lifestyle, and quite insistent on holding people, both real and artificial, accountable when their actions harm others. Conservative values all the way.

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Democrats will win in Nov.

Sure they will. Gus says the prediction markets are the very best indicators of upcoming elections. And while Obama will likely squeak out the Presidency, which he can do by carrying a minority of the States, Dems are looking to get so soundly slaughtered that they are only given 30/100 odds of taking the House and 19/100 of holding the Senate.

You might call that a "win", but I call it a "split" I can easily live with.

I'll take the White House, plus gains in the House and out in the states.

The worst-case scenario for the rest of the election is that Mitch McConnell gets a turn to gavel a deadlocked Senate.

Sure, you go into the election with the Senate and the Presidency.
You come out with only the Presidency.

We go in with only the House.
We come out with both the House and Senate.

You're happy,
I'm happy.

Nobody has the Senate without 60 votes.

I'm still optimistic that the Democrats can hold on, but it would not be a big loss as long as the filibuster just trades hands and the President can veto any monkey business.

Keeping the Presidency and improving the House will serve just fine for now.

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Nobody has the Senate without 60 votes.

Fine, then GOP has never held the Senate in modern history. Because we have never had sixty votes. If you don't care about appealing to moderates to the point that you can hold the Senate, that is your issue. Taking control of all the committees is well worth it to us, which is why we have taken the time to build the kind of broad coalition that reaches out to independents and with it, control of the US Senate.

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Keeping the Presidency ... will serve just fine for now.

Sure.
You go into the election with one House of Congress and the Presidency and come out with no House of Congress and only the Presidency and claim you have won.

We go in with only one House and come out with both Houses and in your mind you have dealt us a loss.

You're happy,
I'm happy.

Its a win/win!