Lets back up and see if there is anything we agree on:

Would youth benefit from the employment in the same way that so many of us did?

Is high youth unemployment a problem?

Is the vandalism and the lack of personal investment in neighborhood schools a problem in some areas?

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Originally posted by Zorro:
Newt brings up a good point. Young people greatly benefit from employment. I am a bit surprised that Libs who ordinarily support the public school system seem to think they would quickly turn into youth exploiting sweat shops if given half a chance.

Here is an example of young folks being offered $80/day in an area with 12% unemployment and the employer couldn't fill 75% of the positions

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Vineyard owner says hiring citizen workers was failure

For about seven hours of work, pickers would get somewhere between ten to twelve dollars an hour; eighty dollars was guaranteed. Salisbury says workers were given breaks of fifteen minutes every two hours and half an hour for lunch.

That, however, was tricky too. Salisbury started out with 18 people. Four days later, he was down to just seven, and he doesn't think any of them will be back next year.

Almost all quit, saying they just couldn't handle the work. Though some of those who left were in their 40's and 50's, Salisbury says he's frustrated with those just past their 18th birthday, some of which were volunteered by their mothers.

"Some of them just never worked before, and it's scary we have a generation that's being coddled," he said.

He said his frustration isn't about younger generations who are used to technology and are more likely to use an Apple than pick one; it's about a work ethic lacking across the years.

"They haven't had a paper route, or they haven't had to do chores around the house," she said. "And things you grow up on with some kind of an allowance. I don't know. We're just seeing a whole different bunch than we did 20 years ago."
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In the end, with grapes going past their prime, Salisbury had to bring in a veteran crew, 75 percent made up of women. It immediately lapped those citizens who signed on.

Folks that know how to work vs those that don't

http://www.ksby.com/news/viney...e/#%21prettyPhoto/0/

This is actually a comment on our society and how we pamper our children, not about making it more profitable to hire children. The truth is, we hire workers from foreign countries because they have a better work ethic than our children. It's that simple. It's been a proven fact that Hispanics are filling the minimum wage jobs, because no kid in this country will work for that kind of wage.

Newt's plan, if fulfilled, would bring Hispanic children into a school, where hostilities towards foreigners is tolerated at best, to be bullied and made the brunt of teasing and other taunts, just to make a point that doesn't need to be made. Children used to earn a little spending money doing lawns and delivering mail. Nowadays, there are grown men with a trailer full of yard tools going up and down the street in our neighborhood doing those same lawns for a heck of lot more money than those kids used to get.

Kids have enough on their hands keeping up with all the educational requirements that "No Child Left Behind" gave them to worry about working after school in the janitor's room. If we lived in a perfect world, kids could do schoolwork, take on a part time job, and still run track. However, the times they done changed folks. At 13, a young man is preparing to increase his speed and agility at a football camp so that just maybe he will earn a scholarship to a major university or even settle for a Div.2 school with a partial.

We have a lot on our plate as parents, and breadwinners. The kids don't need to have that dumped on them too. Sure, boxing groceries after school is still an option, but if that young person plays a sport in school, or has responsibilities at home, he or she can't do it all. Choices have to be made.

How do we expect our children to grow and be competitive in the world when they have 6 hours of homework a day and a part-time job? Something's going to suffer and it's usually their grades. With low grades, there is only an option of a community college or a trade school, not saying that's not a viable option. Some kids are able to go elsewhere, but it takes good grades and a lot of volunteer and extracurricular work on their transcript.

I think what Newt is trying to suggest, if his statements are to believed, is that the minority kids should know their place in the world and it is being a Janitor - apprentice in a school, because they probably don't have anything else going for them. Gee, that's sure setting them up for ridicule from their "better-off" classmates isn't it?

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Newt's plan, if fulfilled, would bring Hispanic children into a school, where hostilities towards foreigners is tolerated at best, to be bullied and made the brunt of teasing and other taunts, just to make a point that doesn't need to be made.

I'm not sure what you are talking about. I understood his comments to concern young people who already attend the school.

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I think what Newt is trying to suggest, if his statements are to believed, is that the minority kids should know their place in the world and it is being a Janitor - apprentice in a school, because they probably don't have anything else going for them.

That's rediculous

Leno says if Newt doesn't win the Presidency he can get a job supervising a sneaker factory in China.

Anyone watch the Republican Debates?
Seems Newt has decided to become compassionate.
Now wants to allow illegals how have lived here, had kids here, held a job, and paid taxes to remain.
Go figure.

Newt believes that if he just talks enough, he'll be right 50% of the time.

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Originally posted by Dr Chango:
Newt believes that if he just talks enough, he'll be right 50% of the time.

He's got a way to go to reach 50%.

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Originally posted by Zorro:

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I think what Newt is trying to suggest, if his statements are to believed, is that the minority kids should know their place in the world and it is being a Janitor - apprentice in a school, because they probably don't have anything else going for them.

That's rediculous

Learn to use your spell-check Zorro....

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Originally posted by Zorro:

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Newt's plan, if fulfilled, would bring Hispanic children into a school, where hostilities towards foreigners is tolerated at best, to be bullied and made the brunt of teasing and other taunts, just to make a point that doesn't need to be made.

I'm not sure what you are talking about. I understood his comments to concern young people who already attend the school.

Re-read the post numb nuts

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Newt's plan, if fulfilled, would bring Hispanic children into a school, where hostilities towards foreigners is tolerated at best, to be bullied and made the brunt of teasing and other taunts, just to make a point that doesn't need to be made.

I'm not sure what you are talking about. I understood his comments to concern young people who already attend the school.


Re-read the post numb nuts

GFY, your post makes no sense.

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Originally posted by Dr Chango:
Newt believes that if he just talks enough, he'll be right 50% of the time.

Hey, he knows how to pick up girls.

Lower barriers equals more youth employment
Higher barriers means less youth employment
The Left loves misery it seeks to blame others for, so obviously they support more youth unemployment

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The former speaker is working from the radical notion that if we lower barriers to work-force participation then we might reasonably expect to see higher levels of work-force participation, and that if we erect barriers to work-force participation, we might reasonably expect to see less of it.
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Gingrich was right to say that the real value of a first job isn’t the money one earns but the lessons one learns: how to show up on time, how to be honest, how to be dependable, how to take direction, how to separate one’s personal life from one’s professional obligations, etc.

How does the Left benefit from Youth learning any of those lessons? It doesn't, that is why they don't support it.

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Early work experiences are critical ... because they instill necessary habits and provide necessary experience, and because having a variety of early work experiences provides a richer range of options. The more work experiences one has early in life, the more likely one is to encounter an occupation that matches one’s talents and interests.
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Gingrich’s suggestion that young people be employed doing manual labor at the institutions charged with educating them is characteristically insightful and bold

http://www.nationalreview.com/...-right-put-kids-work

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Originally posted by Zorro:

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Gingrich’s suggestion that young people be employed doing manual labor at the institutions charged with educating them is characteristically insightful and bold

http://www.nationalreview.com/...-right-put-kids-work

This is a crock of horse manure. Have you ever worked in a high school Zorro? If you have, then you know this is a ridiculous request. Young people are cruel. Kids who have to work even outside of the school grounds get the short end of the deal. Studies will suffer, a void will be felt in the connection to the school as a PARTICIPANT, and the other students will ridicule any student that has to be a janitor on the property.

I worked in a high school for 8 years that had Sat. detention for students who broke school rules. It wasn't like the movie "The Breakfast Club"...they had to clean bathrooms, pick up trash in the stadium parking lot after Friday night games, and wash windows. The other students would come down to the school just for fun and taunt them. Getting a Saturday detention was the worst thing that could happen to a student for that reason. Now, suppose there were kids who had to do that for money....do you honestly think that if given a choice between a job at the local McDonald's or doing chores at your high school, there would even be a thought given to which one a teenager would prefer.

Get real. I know teenagers. Newt Gingrich doesn't. I'm telling you this is a stupid idea whose day will NEVER come and you can take that to the bank. A kid would rather steal hubcaps than work at his school.

Why don't these stuffed shirts in Washington get their fat noses out of education reforms and stick to what they do best...screwing up the economy.