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A new study of nearly 20,000 middle schoolers has found that kids who attend schools that sell junk food such as soda and doughnuts do not gain more weight than students who attend schools where that type of food isn't available.

The study, published in this month's issue of Sociology of Education, contradicts earlier research with smaller sample sizes that showed the availability of junk food correlated with rates of childhood obesity. The new study's author, Pennsylvania State Professor Jennifer Hook, said in a statement that the results surprised her. Hook hypothesizes that kids don't actually have that much time to eat at school, so their out-of-school eating habits are a more important factor in determining their weight. "Children's environments at home and in their communities may provide so many opportunities to eat unhealthy foods that competitive food sales in schools have little influence on children's weight," she writes. Eating habits are set very early, so efforts to encourage healthy food choices should start before middle school, Hook adds.



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Who paid for the study? the snack food industry???


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The research was partially funded by a grant by the
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Rooting for junk food is really weird.


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Rooting for junk food is really weird.
Not if you own YUM stock (or KO, PEP, or MCD).

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... The new study's author, Pennsylvania State Professor Jennifer Hook, said in a statement that the results surprised her. ...


Her name is actually Jennifer VAN Hook, and she's a sociologist.
How much do you know about sociology and sociologists, Charlie?
And how about reporters of sociological articles writing for Yahoo?

The title, "Junk food sold in middle schools doesn't cause obesity," is misleading. First, the article's title is, "Junk food doesn't cause obesity in middle schools," which tells a different story than the one you've presented.

The researchers don't dispute that junk food is not a healthy influence. Their claim is that its availability in middle schools isn't affecting student obesity.

Without seeing the entire paper (available on line for a fee), it's hard to determine what controls were used to come to this conclusion. The fact that Van Hook admits she doesn't understand the results says a lot (not a pretty story) about Van Hook and her co-author.

Competitive Food Sales in Schools and Childhood Obesity -- Abstract
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The vast majority of American middle schools and high schools sell what are known as “competitive foods,” such as soft drinks, candy bars, and chips, to children. The relationship between consumption of sugar-sweetened drinks and snacks and childhood obesity is well established, but it remains unknown whether competitive food sales in schools are related to unhealthy weight gain among children. The authors examined this association using data from the Early Childhood Longitudinal Study, Kindergarten Class. Employing fixed effects models and a natural experimental approach, they found that children’s weight gain between fifth and eighth grades was not associated with the introduction or the duration of exposure to competitive food sales in middle school. Also, the relationship between competitive foods and weight gain did not vary significantly by gender, race/ethnicity, or family socioeconomic status, and it remained weak and insignificant across several alternative model specifications. One possible explanation is that children’s food preferences and dietary patterns are firmly established before adolescence. Also, middle school environments may dampen the effects of competitive food sales because they so highly structure children’s time and eating opportunities.


The last two points sound like the machines are there but students aren't using them. Do you really buy that? Given the machines cost the vendors a lot of money, is there any doubt that food -- lots of it -- is indeed being sold? Who's buying it if not the kids -- the faculty?


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Why not just sell beer and cigarettes in high school?


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Of course, junk food doesn't make kids fat. It's Hugo Chavez!


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Not if you own YUM stock (or KO, PEP, or MCD).



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Of course, junk food doesn't make kids fat. It's Hugo Chavez!


I blame it on Bush!


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They are a private organization, Where do they get their funding?

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Who paid for the study? the snack food industry???




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The research was partially funded by a grant by the
Foundation for Child Development. The Foundation
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Other studies have found the same thing. It's not that junk food isn't calorie rich--it's that the kids who don't buy it at school bring it from home, buy it outside the school, and make up for their caloric "deprivation" by eating more in school and at home.

There's a tremendous pull to maintain the weight you already have, which is why there is no "diet" that proves effective in the long run. Yes, of course--eat less and exercise more will work. But it just isn't that simple for those who are obese. It's all tremendously complex. Fat cells once produced never go away. And there's mounting evidence of genetic reasons behind obesity, although that isn't the complete story either.

I hate seeing the junk science in this culture--the attempts by good people to solve a problem by doing what they think makes sense without ever getting any evidence that it really is a good idea and will work to alleviate the problem. First do the research to see what is effective and practical, THEN change the policy.

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Other studies have found the same thing. It's not that junk food isn't calorie rich--it's that the kids who don't buy it at school bring it from home, buy it outside the school, and make up for their caloric "deprivation" by eating more in school and at home.


Good point. The parents likely buy the stuff in bulk rather than pay cafeteria or vending-machine prices. It's cheaper that way.


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They are a private organization, Where do they get their funding?


The Bush Foundation!


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Seriously, That disclaimer does not mean that much. There are ways to screw with the results any way you like.


And your title is a Liar (Pinocchio)   :liar: junk food does cause obesity.


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Who paid for the study? the snack food industry???




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The research was partially funded by a grant by the
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And your title is a Liar (Pinocchio) Liar (Pinocchio)   :liar: junk food does cause obesity.

First, the title didn't say that. The title says that selling junk food in middle schools doesn't cause obesity. In other words, that children will be just as obese if the schools themselves do not sell junk food. That's pretty easy to test--compare schools which do sell junk food with schools that do not, equate all other differences as best you can, and see if there's a significant difference in the obesity rates of the students. Or compare one school's obesity rates before and after it starts or stops selling junk food.

Second, I'll go a step further and say outright that junk food does NOT cause obesity. No type of food causes obesity. Also, no type of food PREVENTS obesity. The subject is much too complex for such simple statements. If you feel otherwise, show me some facts.

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If you feel otherwise, show me some facts.


Who? Whyisit? You are not serious? His posts are opinion only.


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In other words, that children will be just as obese if the schools themselves do not sell junk food.

The article doesn't say that, either.
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That's pretty easy to test ... .

It's harder than you realize. And I'm not confident your outlined experiments will do the job.


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they found that children’s weight gain between fifth and eighth grades was not associated with the introduction or the duration of exposure to competitive food sales in middle school.

That's what the study found. Why do you say my statement of the finding was wrong?

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It's harder than you realize.
You're psychic? I said you equate the differences in the schools as best you can. I didn't say that was hard or easy--but it's the only way to try to control the study.

There, by the way, have been plenty of controlled studies in prison/hospital situations, but their relevance to real-world situations where food is available from a myriad of sources isn't clear.

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I didn't say that was hard or easy... .

You said, "That's pretty easy to test." You deny that you did?


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Van Hook said she was surprised at the results, and conjectured two possible explanations.

I don't care for Van Hook's science. A good scientist persists until he or she does understand the results before publishing them.

Anyone can conjecture an explanation for anything. (Zorro does it all the time). A good scientist tests the conjecture as well.

It's not enough to accept the results of an abstract alone. The entire published article should be read before a conclusion is reached.


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You said, "That's pretty easy to test." You deny that you did?

No, but I meant the idea about how to test the hypothesis was easy to come by, not necessarily the methodology needed. I wasn't clear. Sorry.

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A good scientist persists until he or she does understand the results before publishing them.
Oh, no. You publish when you have clear results; you continue your research when you don't understand your own results, or hope that others will further your research. It's perfectly acceptable to do research in bits and pieces, accumulating data and revising hypotheses as it progresses.

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It's not enough to accept the results of an abstract alone. The entire published article should be read before a conclusion is reached.

I can read the entire article online if I want to pay $32.00. I doubt anyone here cares enough to pay that amount. I know I don't!

http://soe.sagepub.com/content/85/1/23.full

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Oh, no. You publish when you have clear results; you continue your research when you don't understand your own results, or hope that others will further your research. It's perfectly acceptable to do research in bits and pieces, accumulating data and revising hypotheses as it progresses.

I'm sorry, but that's not correct.

It's not enough to report just empirical data. Anyone can do that. Zorro does it all the time.

There has to be substance behind an observation to reach a meaningful conclusion. There also has to be an independent determination of linkage of the phenomena.

Suppose that a high number of thunderstorms occurred in San Francisco during the same year that many ships struck sand bars and sank off the coast of Cape Hatteras. Such a result would be a Red Herring without an accompanying indication of physical linkage between the phenomena.

It might be that students indeed buy and consume more junk food when vending machines are available in schools, but the quality is so poor that the students invariably get violently nauseous and expel their stomachs' contents. Or the kids intensely dislike the vending machine supplier and the prices charged so much that they boycott even though they crave the food inside. Or the principal, fearful that junk food adversely affects students, unplugs the machines except on the day of the week when the vendor comes to collect the proceeds and refill the machine's contents.

Given this added information, would it be proper to conclude vending machines have apparently no impact on student eating habits?


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