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Who paid for the study? the snack food industry??? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ whyisit | |||
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "It isn't pollution that's harming the environment. It's the impurities in our air and water that are doing it.." --Al Gore, Vice President | |||
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Rooting for junk food is really weird. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Otis (Tad) Richards TheOldMole of the MoleNet http://opusforty.blogspot.com/ "It's men like you that make it difficult for people to understand one another." --Superman, to the leader of the Mole Men | |||
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Not if you own YUM stock (or KO, PEP, or MCD). Know what McDonald's stock symbol really stands for? Mad Cow Disease. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Don't Say Say "Obama's Predecessor," if you absolutely have to. | |||
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Her name is actually Jennifer VAN Hook, and she's a sociologist. How much do you know about sociology and sociologists, Charlie? And how about reporters of sociological articles writing for Yahoo? The title, "Junk food sold in middle schools doesn't cause obesity," is misleading. First, the article's title is, "Junk food doesn't cause obesity in middle schools," which tells a different story than the one you've presented. The researchers don't dispute that junk food is not a healthy influence. Their claim is that its availability in middle schools isn't affecting student obesity. Without seeing the entire paper (available on line for a fee), it's hard to determine what controls were used to come to this conclusion. The fact that Van Hook admits she doesn't understand the results says a lot (not a pretty story) about Van Hook and her co-author. Competitive Food Sales in Schools and Childhood Obesity -- Abstract
The last two points sound like the machines are there but students aren't using them. Do you really buy that? Given the machines cost the vendors a lot of money, is there any doubt that food -- lots of it -- is indeed being sold? Who's buying it if not the kids -- the faculty? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ What's a purple pentode? Why, it's one that's gassy! | |||
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Why not just sell beer and cigarettes in high school? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Don't Say Say "Obama's Predecessor," if you absolutely have to. | |||
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Of course, junk food doesn't make kids fat. It's Hugo Chavez! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | |||
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I prefer WFM. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "It isn't pollution that's harming the environment. It's the impurities in our air and water that are doing it.." --Al Gore, Vice President | |||
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I blame it on Bush! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "It isn't pollution that's harming the environment. It's the impurities in our air and water that are doing it.." --Al Gore, Vice President | |||
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They are a private organization, Where do they get their funding?
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Other studies have found the same thing. It's not that junk food isn't calorie rich--it's that the kids who don't buy it at school bring it from home, buy it outside the school, and make up for their caloric "deprivation" by eating more in school and at home. There's a tremendous pull to maintain the weight you already have, which is why there is no "diet" that proves effective in the long run. Yes, of course--eat less and exercise more will work. But it just isn't that simple for those who are obese. It's all tremendously complex. Fat cells once produced never go away. And there's mounting evidence of genetic reasons behind obesity, although that isn't the complete story either. I hate seeing the junk science in this culture--the attempts by good people to solve a problem by doing what they think makes sense without ever getting any evidence that it really is a good idea and will work to alleviate the problem. First do the research to see what is effective and practical, THEN change the policy. Jeff | |||
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Good point. The parents likely buy the stuff in bulk rather than pay cafeteria or vending-machine prices. It's cheaper that way. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ “I’m not familiar precisely with exactly what I said, but I stand by what I said, whatever it was.” ---Willard | |||
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The Bush Foundation! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "It isn't pollution that's harming the environment. It's the impurities in our air and water that are doing it.." --Al Gore, Vice President | |||
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Seriously, That disclaimer does not mean that much. There are ways to screw with the results any way you like. And your title is a
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First, the title didn't say that. The title says that selling junk food in middle schools doesn't cause obesity. In other words, that children will be just as obese if the schools themselves do not sell junk food. That's pretty easy to test--compare schools which do sell junk food with schools that do not, equate all other differences as best you can, and see if there's a significant difference in the obesity rates of the students. Or compare one school's obesity rates before and after it starts or stops selling junk food. Second, I'll go a step further and say outright that junk food does NOT cause obesity. No type of food causes obesity. Also, no type of food PREVENTS obesity. The subject is much too complex for such simple statements. If you feel otherwise, show me some facts. Jeff | |||
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Who? Whyisit? You are not serious? His posts are opinion only. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "It isn't pollution that's harming the environment. It's the impurities in our air and water that are doing it.." --Al Gore, Vice President | |||
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The article doesn't say that, either.
It's harder than you realize. And I'm not confident your outlined experiments will do the job. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ What's a purple pentode? Why, it's one that's gassy! | |||
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That's what the study found. Why do you say my statement of the finding was wrong? You're psychic? I said you equate the differences in the schools as best you can. I didn't say that was hard or easy--but it's the only way to try to control the study. There, by the way, have been plenty of controlled studies in prison/hospital situations, but their relevance to real-world situations where food is available from a myriad of sources isn't clear. Jeff | |||
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You said, "That's pretty easy to test." You deny that you did? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ What's a purple pentode? Why, it's one that's gassy! | |||
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Van Hook said she was surprised at the results, and conjectured two possible explanations. I don't care for Van Hook's science. A good scientist persists until he or she does understand the results before publishing them. Anyone can conjecture an explanation for anything. (Zorro does it all the time). A good scientist tests the conjecture as well. It's not enough to accept the results of an abstract alone. The entire published article should be read before a conclusion is reached. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ What's a purple pentode? Why, it's one that's gassy! | |||
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No, but I meant the idea about how to test the hypothesis was easy to come by, not necessarily the methodology needed. I wasn't clear. Sorry. Oh, no. You publish when you have clear results; you continue your research when you don't understand your own results, or hope that others will further your research. It's perfectly acceptable to do research in bits and pieces, accumulating data and revising hypotheses as it progresses. I can read the entire article online if I want to pay $32.00. I doubt anyone here cares enough to pay that amount. I know I don't! http://soe.sagepub.com/content/85/1/23.full Jeff | |||
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I'm sorry, but that's not correct. It's not enough to report just empirical data. Anyone can do that. Zorro does it all the time. There has to be substance behind an observation to reach a meaningful conclusion. There also has to be an independent determination of linkage of the phenomena. Suppose that a high number of thunderstorms occurred in San Francisco during the same year that many ships struck sand bars and sank off the coast of Cape Hatteras. Such a result would be a Red Herring without an accompanying indication of physical linkage between the phenomena. It might be that students indeed buy and consume more junk food when vending machines are available in schools, but the quality is so poor that the students invariably get violently nauseous and expel their stomachs' contents. Or the kids intensely dislike the vending machine supplier and the prices charged so much that they boycott even though they crave the food inside. Or the principal, fearful that junk food adversely affects students, unplugs the machines except on the day of the week when the vendor comes to collect the proceeds and refill the machine's contents. Given this added information, would it be proper to conclude vending machines have apparently no impact on student eating habits? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ What's a purple pentode? Why, it's one that's gassy! | |||
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