Everyone seems to have some answer. But I don't. The scum should have been hanging in public years ago. He and his disgusting friend were caught red-handed by the police.

And this is why I'm not a liberal.


Holy Bhagworm

The vermin responsible are the lowest form of life known to mankind. Nothing including HELL is penalty enough for these barstards! They disgust me and they disgust every living member of civil society.

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Originally posted by Holy Bhagworm:
Why Hasn't The Scum Been Brought To Justice Sooner?

Do you want the long answer, or the short answer?

The long answer is that so long as Connecticut believes the death penalty is the best option for this scumbag, you and every CT taxpayer will pay the cost in time, money, and resources.

Capital punishment crimes are far more costly to prosecute/appeal/defend in terms of dollars & cents than the same crime where the maximum penalty is life without release (LWOR), and it's the taxpayer who funds this process:

...According to documents from the Office of Defender Services of the Administrative Office of the U.S. Courts, the average cost of a capital punishment trial is $620,932 (just on case costs alone), which is eight times more expensive than a case where the death penalty is not an option. ...



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Financial Facts About The Death Penalty


• The California death penalty system costs taxpayers $114 million per year beyond the costs of keeping convicts locked up for life. Taxpayers have paid more than $250 million for each of the state’s executions.
  
  
• In Kansas, the costs of capital cases are 70% more expensive than comparable non-capital cases, including the costs of incarceration.
  
  
• In Maryland, an average death penalty case resulting in a death sentence costs approximately $3 million. The eventual costs to Maryland taxpayers for cases pursued 1978-1999 will be $186 million. Five executions have resulted.
  
  
• The most comprehensive study in the country found that the death penalty costs North Carolina $2.16 million per execution over the costs of sentencing murderers to life imprisonment. The majority of those costs occur at the trial level.
  
  
• Enforcing the death penalty costs Florida $51 million a year above what it would cost to punish all first-degree murderers with life in prison without parole. Based on the 44 executions Florida had carried out since 1976, that amounts to a cost of $24 million for each execution.
  
  
• In Texas, a death penalty case costs an average of $2.3 million, about three times the cost of imprisoning someone in a single cell at the highest security level for 40 years.
  
  

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  "Comparison of Capital Punishment Costs in Texas and Connecticut" -- The Office of Legislative Research for the Connecticut General Assembly:
  
  ... "Another problem is the length and complexity of the process. [Capital punishment] cases tend to last several years and can pass through three possible phases. The first phase includes state trial court (two trials - one to determine guilt, the other for sentence), state Supreme Court, and possible appeals to the U.S. Supreme Court. The second phase is the state habeas corpus (post-conviction process) and appeals. The final phase is federal habeas corpus, which includes appeals to the U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals and to the U.S. Supreme Court ...

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Then there are the "hidden" costs to Connecticut taxpayers. Because capital punishment crimes require more prosecutors, more defenders, more investigators, more testimony by experts, more testing, more paralegals, more judges, more court time than equivalent crimes with life without possibility of release (LWOR) sentences... none of these resources are available to prosecute OTHER crimes/criminals.

Then there's the 'cost' to Dr. Petit & his family for the next decade or TWO.

That's right... TWO DECADES... actually, TWENTY-TWO YEARS... that's how long Robert Breton Sr. --convicted in 1989 for the December 1987 beating and stabbing deaths of his 38-year-old ex-wife, JoAnn Breton, and their 16-year-old son, Robert Breton Jr.-- has been sitting on Connecticut's death row, and there's no end in sight.

Every appeal, every motion, every trial, every everything that the Petit murderers file while they're on death row will involve Dr. Petit. Why should he have to be put through this for the next couple of decades? What purpose will it serve to have Dr. Petit HAVE to be in court whenever these scumbags wanna file something, to be the spokesperson for Jennifer, Hayley and Michaela? These pigs don't deserve one more minute of Dr. Petit's time or energy once they're convicted, but Dr. Petit will be forever entwined with his family's murderers if they get the death penalty as they and their state-paid (which means they're paid for by YOU) attorneys file HUNDREDS of motions, appeals, etc.

If CT instead gave the scumbags life without release, Dr. Petit would have a chance to move beyond this most gruesome experience... not to forget it, mind you... but to allow it to not "kill" him too. I don't want victim's families to be victimized time and again by death row prisoners, which is exactly what happens now.

IMO, a death sentence for these scumbags is a death sentence for Dr. Petit, too.

The short answer to your "Why Hasn't The Scum Been Brought To Justice Sooner?" question is there is no short answer.

*CJ

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Originally posted by Holy Bhagworm:
Why Hasn't The Scum Been Brought To Justice Sooner?

Yeah. Why hasn't they?

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Everyone seems to have some answer. But I don't. The scum should have been hanging in public years ago. He and his disgusting friend were caught red-handed by the police.

And this is why I'm not a liberal.

Your conclusion doesn't follow from your premise. Unless part of your premise is that libs honor the Constitution and cons don't. In that case, I understand.

They deserve to rot in hell in a cold dank 8x9 concrete cell without a view and for the record, allowed out 1 hour per day for the rest of their stinking wretched miserable lives. I can assure you they will be crying and screaming for "death" and not wanting to live like trash which they are. There is nothing worse than life in confinement where they can work on their crippling paranoia and degrade mentally with each passing day. I know it is inhumane of me and certainly not very christian to wish this on these sloths but I wish for them a life of solitude and no contact with humanity and to suffer untold misery. They will be nothing but a Prison Number. It is a fate far worse than death. Death is to clean and too clinical. We must exact pain and suffering for the rest of their days. I have been to state prison as a young state trooper with a murderer in tow in chains to spend his life in a concrete cell with a nice steel door. Segregation and life is DEATH except you're allowed to breath and suffer the consequences!

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They deserve to rot in hell in a cold dank 8x9 concrete cell without a view and for the record, allowed out 1 hour per day for the rest of their stinking wretched miserable lives.

I don't disagree with this at all. The problem with hustling guys like this off to the death chamber is you can't do it without being able to hustle off everyone sentenced to die -- and you can't hustle someone back if it turns out he or she didn't do the crime. So protections must be in place and adhered to, and that's what takes so long.

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Originally posted by Lynn Dee:

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They deserve to rot in hell in a cold dank 8x9 concrete cell without a view and for the record, allowed out 1 hour per day for the rest of their stinking wretched miserable lives.

I don't disagree with this at all. The problem with hustling guys like this off to the death chamber is you can't do it without being able to hustle off everyone sentenced to die -- and you can't hustle someone back if it turns out he or she didn't do the crime. So protections must be in place and adhered to, and that's what takes so long.

I agree with you. A cold dank concrete cell with an iron door clanging is a cell made in Hell for people like these murderers. A death sentence is too easy and cheats us out of revenge which is a lifetime of victimhood, solitude, paranoia, no contact with humanity.

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Originally posted by Dirigo Maine-iac:
They deserve to rot in hell in a cold dank 8x9 concrete cell without a view and for the record, allowed out 1 hour per day for the rest of their stinking wretched miserable lives. I can assure you they will be crying and screaming for "death" and not wanting to live like trash which they are. There is nothing worse than life in confinement where they can work on their crippling paranoia and degrade mentally with each passing day. I know it is inhumane of me and certainly not very christian to wish this on these sloths but I wish for them a life of solitude and no contact with humanity and to suffer untold misery. They will be nothing but a Prison Number. It is a fate far worse than death. Death is to clean and too clinical. We must exact pain and suffering for the rest of their days. I have been to state prison as a young state trooper with a murderer in tow in chains to spend his life in a concrete cell with a nice steel door. Segregation and life is DEATH except you're allowed to breath and suffer the consequences!

When you put it like that, Dirigo (and LD), the imprisonment scenario doesn't sound like such a bad idea. As long as they don't get to enjoy any kind of life. They so easily and horribly deprived a wonderful family of their lives. It's outrageous, however, that Dr. Petit has to suffer through the flaws of a miserable system. These monsters were caught red-handed - and there is no doubt of their guilt.


Holy Bhagworm

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NEW HAVEN, Conn. — A paroled burglar was convicted Tuesday of killing a mother and her two daughters in a 2007 home invasion in an affluent Connecticut town and faces the possibility of being sentenced to death.

Steven Hayes, 47, was convicted of capital felony, murder, sexual assault and other counts by a jury that heard eight days of gruesome testimony about the July 2007 attacks on Jennifer Hawke-Petit and her daughters, 17-year-old Hayley and 11-year-old Michaela.

The sole survivor, Dr. William Petit, appeared to hold back tears as the verdict was read. His head down, he sucked in his bottom lip.

The verdict triggers a second phase of the trial, beginning Oct. 18, in which the same jurors will decide if Hayes should be executed or face life in prison.

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I strongly suspect the jury will opt for a death penalty since capital punishment is in place in Connecticut and the crimes so inhuman as to justify in a capital penalty state a sentence of DEATH. It will take a decade or more to execute the scumbags and then society is done with them forever. I would hope the SOBs live a long life of inhuman torture--confinement in a concrete box and have no say in anything. Many people in their circumstance will commit suicide rather than face such a dogs existence!

It's a horrible crime, but these killers have been in jail since it happened. They were caught quickly and imprisoned fast awaiting trial.

In other words, they were "brought to justice" at once. It takes time to gather evidence, witnesses, and prepare a solid case in a capital punishment trial.

Why talk about liberals? No one is saying these people are innocent.

Not even liberals.

Jeff

 
Now that Hayes has been convicted...

What happens to Komisarjevsky, Hayes' accomplice?

Is it possible that having convicted Hayes, Komisarjevsky could get a pass on the murders and just be convicted of the burglary, sexual assaults, kidnapping, arson, etc. and be outta prison in 20 or 30 years?

Can Komisarjevsky also be convicted of the murders of Jennifer Hawke-Petit and her two daughters? Or is only one person gonna hang (well, actually, be lethally injected, but you KWIM) for the murders?

Is it possible that if Hayes' jury sentences Hayes to death for his role in the murders, a second jury might not have the stomach to do the same to Komisarjevsky? I think this could happen... and I hope today's judge imposes a gag order on all members of the Hayes' jury until after Komisarjevsky's trial/sentencing.

Could Komisarjevsky's defense attorneys argue convincingly enough that Hayes did the killing while Komisarjevsky only committed other vile crimes against the family? And would a jury, perhaps anxious to not have to make a life/death decision, be willing to believe such arguments?

*CJ

Whether the young of the two murdered anyone or not, he was with the SOB that did and raped them before slaughtering them. Two people in the commission of a felony where someone is killed in the process than the law says as an accomplice you are as guilty as the one who pulled the trigger and subject to capital punishment if it is so aggravated and heinous. I would say both are guilty as sin and both are subject to a nice clean gurney, a sterile needle and a pump humming away with the poison. That said, it is just too clinically pure for my tastes and I want those SOBs to rot in a cold dark dank cell of cement for the rest of their miserable wretched worthless lives and may they live a long tortured life at that.

I'm interested in seeing what the punishment will be when the sentence hearing begins on Oct 18th. Is there a death penalty in CT or isn't there one?


Holy Bhagworm

I think there is a death penalty but it isn't used much or hasn't been for years. I've lost track since each state is different. Some states used to hang, some firing squad, NH used to whip, NY use to have the gas chamber, Mass the electric chair, to name a few. Maine used to hang but we hanged two innocent people on the Androscoggin County courthouse lawn and unable to fix the wrong Maine decided it would just lock 'em up in the Thomaston Bastile for life after that blunder.

Yes, it appears Connecticut "The Nutmeg State" has a death penalty. It used to be electrocution but has been changed to Lethal Injection.
http://www.cga.ct.gov/2005/rpt/2005-R-0136.htm

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Many people in their circumstance will commit suicide rather than face such a dogs existence!

I hope the hideous waste of skin tries again, ASAP, and that this time, his guards look the other way..and that he's successful.

I think they should be tried, also, for the death of Dr Petit's existence as he knew it.

He's as much a victim as his daughters and wife, and someone should pay for that.

Perhaps the system of justice who unleashed these two should have to pay, somehow. I'm sick of this coddle the criminal mentality!

I hope they get the death penalty!

Life nowadays is a calculated risk. You never know if you'll be a victim of a violent crime. It is a miracle I am still alive today to reach "old age" relatively unscathed. I do keep a firearm in my home for what that's worth.

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Is it possible that having convicted Hayes, Komisarjevsky could get a pass on the murders and just be convicted of the burglary, sexual assaults, kidnapping, arson, etc. and be outta prison in 20 or 30 years?

If this jury heard the case, he'd be dead meat.

This jury asked pertinent questions during deliberations regarding starting the fire. They asked if flinging the gasoline around could be considered starting the fire if he didn't actually put the match to it. The judge said that, no, it couldn't.

The fire killed those girls. Jennifer died by a hand or hands around her neck, which the waste who was convicted of it today admitted to.

I'm glad they (the jury) were looking at it that way. I hope the other waste's jury considers it similarly.

cj--

We were in the car today when I got the ping on my cell, advising me of breaking news. I was just a few seconds away from picking up my car, which had been serviced, majorly, at the local dealership.

It took some time to write up the charges. I had coupons! I saved a fortune. My service advisor was impresssed.

As I sat waiting, I kept getting pinged. He said, "Do you need to answer that?"

I looked and saw it was the same breaking news pinging me, and told him the waste of skin had been convicted on all but the arson count. He hadn't heard.

He had pics of his kids, 8 and 12, on his desk...

They looked like him. He was pleased with the verdict.

As he finished up, a couple co-workers stuck their heads in and said, simply, "guilty..."

I don't think there's too many people here who will show any mercy.

This could have happened to them.

Rayne--

Rule of thumb is, if you're armed, don't tell.

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You never know if you'll be a victim of a violent crime.

We felt pretty sure we wouldn't be, until this happened. Now, who knows?

 
I agree w/ ya', Rayne.

I don't want Dr. Petit to have to be engaged with these cretins for the next 10 or 20 or 30 years whilst they play out their death row "rights." And no, 30 years isn't an exaggeration... CT has an inmate who's been on death row for more than 22 -years-.

I read about one case where a death row inmate was filing an average of 33 motions/appeals PER YEAR on his case, and he'd been on death row for seven years. That means the victim's family was given notice THREE TIMES A MONTH (with December off) that the man who'd killed their daughter/sister/aunt/cousin/girlfriend was trying to do something, ANYthing, to change his sentence.

How does a family move on when they're so damn INTIMATE involved with the one(s) who murdered their family member? I don't think they can. better the scumbag is locked away, forever, and his "right" to motions/new trials/appeals are limited.

I don't want to have to put 20-25 people, those selected to be jurors and alternates, in capital punishment cases to have to make a decision to put someone to death... it's an awful thing to ask of our fellow citizens.

I still have family & friends in CT, thus I don't want CT taxpayers to have to pay the hundreds of thousands, or mebbe even millions of tax dollars to ensure Hayes' rights as a death row inmate are adequately "protected."

I don't want Hayes heavily protected, in a single cell with numerous guards ensuring his health & welfare, which is what will happen if he's on death row. I want that CHILD RAPIST in general population, in a 2-man cell, on an overcrowded cell block, showering and being in the yard with all the other charming folks in prison in Somers, CT.

*CJ

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I don't want CT taxpayers to have to pay the hundreds of thousands, or mebbe even millions of tax dollars to ensure Hayes' rights as a death row inmate are adequately "protected."

I don't care how much it costs. That's a petty thing to think about when this kind of justice is involved.

CT is a wealthy state, you know...we can afford it.

I want criminals to know that CT serves out death.

I WANT them to think before they come here, thinking they'll be alive if they commit this kind of heinous act.

Some of them get off on the thrill of being stalked by their fellows, you know. I don't want them to have that pleasure. The younger waste got off on going into homes where he knew people slept. He wore night vision goggles. Creep.

These two have been there. They know what it's like being "in population."

Yet they chose this act.

Kill 'em.